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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Jul 31, 2013, 11:51
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This is one example of many. When I was researching the subject I was amazed at how many 'anomalies' are suppressed:

http://pleistocenecoalition.com/steen-mcintyre/Nexus_article.pdf

Can't see anything in that article about Glastonbury being a chakra, or any evidence relating to what the druids believed.


That's because I was referring to suppressed archeology, and not Glastonbury and the Druids. That subject is well documented in itself, and much is known about Druid law as it part of a larger universal mystical knowledge system.

I'm pretty sure you said "Glastonbury IS a chakra" ;)

Nothing is known about druidic lore. Anything we surmise is entirely speculative. It's very easy to make grandiose statements like "... it part of a larger universal mystical knowledge system", but much harder to back up such statements with old-fashioned things like facts and evidence.

Seeing as the druids left NO WRITTEN RECORDS, it's rather hard to see what your source for this assertion would be. Other than speculation, of course. Not that I have any problem with speculation. If you want to say "druidic lore COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN part of a larger universal mystical knowledge system", then hey, go right ahead. State it as fact, and you're no different to any other religious zealot passing off personal belief as incontrovertible truth.


What a curiously dull and soulless place the world would be if we ignored all oral tradition, folk memory, myth and legend and just relied on your 'hard evidence' alone. Not for me, that's for sure, and as for being a religious zealot ? Nah. That unnecessarily insulting comment says far more about you than me.

Oral tradition is marvellous, and it provides wonderful material for speculation about all kinds of things. But it is not reliable evidence, and it does not allow us to make definitive statements about what the druids believed. We can't even be certain that any oral traditions descend from druidic teachings or beliefs. So like I said... speculate. That's fine. Definitive statements however, like "druid law is part of a larger universal mystical knowledge system" are factually inaccurate. Stating personal beliefs as fact is a hallmark of religious zeal.

Speaking of which, I don't believe I called you a religious zealot. I said that passing off personal beliefs as fact makes you no different to a religious zealot. That's not an unreasonable position, is it? Zeal is defined as:

"fervor for a person, cause, or object; eager desire or endeavor; enthusiastic diligence; ardor."

The fact that you're so quick to take that as an insult, and try and use it as a means of undermining a rational and reasonable argument says more about you than it does about me ;)


You really are a curious fellow.

" You're no different to any other religious zealot ".
Hmm. If something is not different to something then what does that imply ? That is obviously a rather insulting comment, deliberately so. As for written records, of course there are none, but quite a lot of information can be gleamed from bardic sources and Celtic legend. It's suprising what you can discover. Anyway, I shall leave you to your arguments, rational or otherwise.

Ah, the old internet trick of incomplete quoting, and/or quoting out of context. I remember it fondly ;) You missed a bit. Allow me to assist:

"STATE IT AS FACT, AND you're no different to any other religious zealot passing off personal belief as incontrovertible truth." (added emphasis, for clarity).

That's not an insult. It's reasonable assertion. Passing off personal spiritual opinions as definitive truth is religious zeal. If you choose to take that as an insult, then that really does say more about you than it does about me. Make it personal if you feel that's an easier course than rational discussion ;)

"...but quite a lot of information can be gleamed from bardic sources and Celtic legend. It's suprising what you can discover."

Yes, absolutely. We can glean a lot of material that allows us to speculate about what the druids may have believed. But we can't glean any actual facts, that would allow us to state anything as definitive truth.

Fact and speculation. Two very different things.
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