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Edited May 12, 2009, 18:29
Re: The Horrors new LP
May 12, 2009, 17:40
keith a wrote:
IanB wrote:


I feel exactly the same way about Fujiya and Miyagi, Franz Ferdinand and any number of a host of acts whose members were born after the 70s were over and who seem to view pop history as something that is fair game for plunder with absolutely no sense of having to build on the past. Ironic ransacking being all the rage and an acceptable end in itself. How very 1982 of them..


To to be fair to FF, who are well into their 30's in any case, surely anyone can tell one of their records from a mile away. They've taken influences and made them sound contemporary, made them their own. Haven't been tempted to buy the third LP yet though!

As for F&M, etc., let young people plunder what they want as long as the end result is good. And in F&M's case, it is (what I've heard anyway)

It might be a good time to listen to Jealous Of Youth by The The, Ian! ; )



IanB wrote:

All that aside we are talking about people who view music making as a career option. The Jon Bon Jovis of rock n roll. Which is why we are all aware of The Horrors in the first place. They are in it to win it.


Sorry Ian, I find this quite a ridiculous thing to say. "They are in it to win it". What exactly do The Horrors want to win? Bon Jovi-like success??? Right...they're clearly going about it the wrong way then!

The Horrors could be way more successful if success was all they cared about. The folk on here might well be au-fait with Krautrock and shoe-gazing, but you mention those terms to a lot of people who care less passionately about music than us lot then they haven't got a clue about them. And no, I'm not out of touch, or being condescending. I have these conversations.

Joe Public doesn't know who much about Neu or MBV. You want to appeal to a mass market and be Champion's League winners in music, then you're gonna have to be way more obvious than that.



There is nothing quite as sad as a middle aged man being down with da indie kids in an attempt to stay current. The cultural comb-over. The rock n roll Grecian 2000 but when it comes to popular music I'll try anything for a couple of albums that is reliably recommended to me . If it turns out to be a hollow rehash I reserve the right to say "next" even it that makes me an old **** . A "Jealous of Youth" old **** or otherwise. If the writing is original then what it sounds like matters not a jot. Everything is a rehash of something on the surface.

Anyway, ref The Horrors, I think it is a mistake to confuse matters of taste with matters of fact. Just because a career looks casually anarchic or fame-adverse and you personally feel some kinship with their music does not mean it is not planned out with something akin to military precision and with the budget to match. Even if the end product has all the pizazz of a Vo5 ad.

I do suspect Keith that you would be far less generous to anyone of the age of 25 basing their career on say the second and third Scorpions records. Which is where you and I always part company - the point where taste assumes the consistency of a concrete vantage point. A vantage point from which it is possible to argue that one kind of pop music is in essence more valuable than another. It simply isn't meant for that. There is no right or wrong position on a 3 minute single. Or a triple live album for that matter.

As Alan Bennett has it in the History Boys "his crap or my crap - it makes no difference". As for whose crap makes into the pantheon, to misquote Chou En-lai, "Ii's too early to tell". Ephemera is in the eye of the beholder and it really is *all* ephemera. As a Dollar fan you really must see that, no?
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