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Re: Elephants & tigers & hens & other Tory targets
Nov 14, 2010, 16:42
Howburn Digger wrote:
GLADMAN wrote:
We can just keep plugging away.... teach your children to love animals BUT in a worldly-wise manner. If a fox was destroying a farmer's poultry farm is he justified in shooting it? Perhaps. But I'd defend the fox to my last breath against a tally ho hunt for nothing other than 'sport'. Bastards. Buy free range eggs and apply pressure to supermarkets to only source from farms that do things right. Money makes people sit up and listen. Is vegetarianism the answer? For some, perhaps, yes. But natural evolution has provided me with processing and digestive systems (incisor teeth, one stomach etc) to live on a mixed diet and I do not have the arrogance to decide I know best and millions of years of nature devising the 'best fit' is wrong.


I live on a farm. I have seen what a fox does to a field of new lambs or a paddock of hens. A frenzy of slaughter and carnage. Foxes are difficult to shoot and they often escape wounded to die slow deaths.
There never was "tally ho" sport hunting of the fox in my part of Scotland but a farmer, a couple of dogs and a gun kept the lid on foxy problems. The problem came when those couple of farmer's dogs got included in the ban of horsey toffs "pack hunting" of the fox by New Labour - who hated the countryside and everyone who lived and worked there.


And I have seen dying lambs chucked on the muck heap for being 'runts', several live sheep with their rear ends being eaten away due to maggot infestations, calves smashed over the head with metal buckets for not 'drinking downwards' when their three day old instincts told them to 'suck upwards'. ALL unnecessary. (And I've worked on a dozen or more farms as the farm I worked at ran a relief service.)

Also, where you get the idea from that everyone who lives in the countryside is aware of what actually happens to animals - wild or farmed -I do not know. Plus the assumption that country dwellers automatically agree with hunting, animal farming etc. They aren't and they don't.

From my experience it seems to have little to do with town, country or political persuasion. I have met Labour Party Young Socialists who were vocal (and angry) in their opposition to people 'caring about animals' when humans were in need of support, conversely a neo-nazi vegan (honest), i.e., (often extreme) left AND right wing people who can be either/or and do not fit into the lefty-townie-anti-hunting box.

I do not know you and am not suggesting that you are personally cruel to animals by the way but would be interested to hear how important you feel animal welfare is to most farmers. I believe that the chief concern for farmers is money to be made from the animals and animal welfare comes second.

I think simple (though probably expensive) measures could easily be put in place to lessen farm animals' distress caused by the transportation to slaughterhouses and think something should be put in place for animals to at least be slaughtered in situ. for example.

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