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MonkeyBoy
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Re: Do away with the Dough!
Jun 25, 2002, 16:25
Yeah it would have to be an international system. Globalisation shows that the profit system is international so any alternative has gotta be. (even though capitalistism does foster nationalism & ideas of nation states - particularly as they can play countries off against each other and promote rivalry & even conflict).

No nation can be totally autonomus and self sufficient.

Any change would have to appeal to people internationally. Unlike The Old Russian Revolution who's brutal coup just did not appeal to the advanced & organised workers in the West.

A revolution will have to be carried out through the minds and the action of the people and not by some vanguard seizing the state machinery.

There seems to a lot of pessimism around here 'I'd like to see a better world, but people won't accept it, or capitalism is too strong or good, it won't happen in my life time, etc'.

If people don't think a total change will come in their life time, then that doesn't mean you have to accept the Status Quo. Surely even if just the seeds of a better world are sown in your lifetime than it better than leaving the system unchallenged. If through Direct Action, Education and raising awareness the CounterCulture is stronger but you pop your clogs before a revolution ever happens then isn't better to have even at least just contributed to the future forces of change.

The old FarLeft groupings would tell people a revolution will happen soon. Why artificially force the pace of change like Lenin & others tried to do.
The artifcial forced change Regimes have done much to discredit Socialism & thus strengthen capitalism. So in the end forced change has set back any change that will come.

Stray! your right about greed being part of the conditioning of the system. If the world changed then there may be still be some greedy people around, but they will be people conditioned by the pre-revolutionary MindSet. How can people be greedy when everything would be easily obtainable, if they are, it would be up to the local community to do something about it.

Eventually after a generation or two if anyone is greedy in a society which is not based on greed (which would be a very rare occurence) then they would have to be psychologically impaired. It is capitalism that encourages people to be competitive. Stray is right to say people won't have anything to be greedy about.

Four Winds! any punishment if any, is up to how the future community organises it's self and it would be arrogant to assume we could tell a more enlightened world what they should do about any one overconsuming. The local community saying 'stop Pigging out on all that free bread & milk you Fat Bastard' could be an idea.

When Gary Clail and his On U sound system sung 'there's something wrong with human nature' he was so wrong! It not whats wrong with human nature it is what is wrong with human nurture.

MonkeyBoy
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