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Edited Nov 22, 2009, 12:52
Re: Climate-Cat's out of the Bag!
Nov 22, 2009, 11:53
Well what the fuck IS going on? First of all, apologies for getting the Hadley centre and the Tyndall centre mixed up. Just seeing if you're awake :) Nice to see that you failed to pick up on it! But I'm not the only one to have conflated the Hadley Centre with something else. Your original links did too. The Climate Research Unit and the Hadley Centre are two seperate bodies, as far as I'm aware. A minor quibble of course, but there you go.

Certainly an interesting state of affairs, if the mails are genuine - and they certainly appear to be.

Probably the best rebuttal/analysis I've seen comes from the site, realclimate.org

realclimate.or wrote:
More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

Instead, there is a peek into how scientists actually interact and the conflicts show that the community is a far cry from the monolith that is sometimes imagined. People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking.

Or, as the BBC puts it,

The BBC wrote:
...it is also clear that the unit has been dragged down by what it considers to be nit-picking and unreasonable demands for data - and that there is personal animus against their intellectual rivals.

Now this sort of hostility is nothing new in academia - but the revelations come at a sensitive time as the world's nations gather for the climate meeting in Copenhagen.

My CRU source points out that its unpublished full data set is almost identical to the ones at the National Climatic Data Center and the Goddard Institute of Space Studies.

Both of these are in the US, where there are no restrictions on publication. The CRU view is that when the sceptics see the full data in due course they will be very disappointed.

The scientific establishment is likely to support the CRU. Despite continuing uncertainties in some areas of climate science, they say officially that their overall confidence that humans are warming the climate is now more than 90%.

One leading figure told me unofficially that confidence was now at 99%.

So your original assertion that this was a choice between hoax and total game changer was a bit oversimplistic perhaps?
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