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zphage 3378 posts |
Dec 14, 2007, 22:06
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Both of these legendary bands have been remastered recently. Both have biopics. Ian Astbury provided "6 degrees of seperation connection" between two these bands. Right now were are going thru an 80's revival Joy Division's influence looms large. Where are the Doors?
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 03:06
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How is Ian Astbury connected to JD?
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vince 1628 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 05:00
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Got to be the Billy Duffy Manc connection methinks. Personally it depends on my mood. Morrison was a bigger wanker but at least he could pen a good pop tune. The only wrong Joy Division ever committed was turning into New Order. Why was it that JD live were an awesome, dynamic & dignified affair yet I've seen NO numerous time & they've been a crock of shite every bloody time?
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philiph20 80 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 07:39
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At last someone else in the country who thinks New order are absolutely shite, they are along with retro crap like The Stone Roses esp Ian Brown given an almost mythical status by music hacks over here particularly the NME , it seems that they are immune to criticism which rankles when they are compared to JD an absolute load of manure.
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sttomas 1123 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 10:09
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The Doors did enjoy a bit of a revival when the Doors film was released, such as with Joy Division. Personally prefer The Doors. never bothered with Joy Division.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Dec 15, 2007, 10:31
Dec 15, 2007, 10:19
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philiph20 wrote: At last someone else in the country who thinks New order are absolutely shite, they are along with retro crap like The Stone Roses esp Ian Brown given an almost mythical status by music hacks over here particularly the NME , it seems that they are immune to criticism which rankles when they are compared to JD an absolute load of manure. I have taken a few forum spankings for holding the same opinion! The Doors made some extraordinary records (as did JD) and were quickly eclipsed by their own lead singer (as were JD) and were much more interesting live than on record (as arguably were JD). JD were probably heading for a creative dead-end by the time their singer died. I suspect they were one record away from Curtis going solo. The Doors were already past that point when Jimbo killed himself. Premature death is a great help when it comes to becomming an iconic figure. Who knows, if Nick Drake had lived he might have ended up rolling his jacket sleeves past his elbows. just like John Martyn, and making records with Phil Collins. Jimi would have ended up in Weather Report and and Janis Joplin would be making showtune albums with Rod! As for New Order, for me they are one of the long list of British indie acts who plundered the US club scene for insipration leaving both sides worse off in the process. Play "Rock The House", "Don't Make Me Wait" or pretty much anything from the West End catalogue next to "Blue Monday" and tell me who had access to the true dancefloorpoison. It's like comparing early Stones sides with the Chess catalogue. Entertaining but ultimately a pale shadow. They had to get past their influences to make original music. Not sure NO ever got beyond their influences. Someone like Larry Levan name checking New Order is like Muddy Waters doing the same for Mick n Keef. What Levan and New Order have in common is that Larry Levan was a huge Krautrock fan (regularly playing Kraut tracks in his DJ set) and both he and New Order owed a hell of a lot to Moroder and to Neu. I Feel Love is one of the great Krautrock sides. Saying that if you are still in your 30s I can understand why New Order, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses and The Smiths have that iconic status. It is a bit like people of my age who can't let go of some 60s and early 70s acts who are frankly a bit over-rated but have achieved a special status. Big Star anyone? Skip Spence? Brian Wilson? Gram Parsons? The Band? Terry Reid? Soft Machine?
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philiph20 80 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 10:54
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It's the music media's obsession with the likes of New Order and The Stone Roses which baffles me, surely they all cannot be into all that Madchester garbage..you just do not see bad reviews for these two acts it's very strange, a few months back Ian Brown's most recnet album was reviewed in The Sunday Times supplement said it was arguably the worst album ever made and Brown was a talentless twerp ( to which i agree) yet in the online version their was a different review it was kind of like The Stone Roses and it's members CANNOT be criticised so a revamped review was the order of the day.
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riotmaster 1563 posts |
Dec 15, 2007, 11:36
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dunno about anyone else, but these pair would be in my top pile of shittest bands ever
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Dec 15, 2007, 11:58
Dec 15, 2007, 11:51
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Agree totally. Then again I know for fact the weekly press were sending negative U2 reviews back to be rewritten in the mid 80s. So it is nothing new. I guess it depends on what drugs you were taking at the time and who with. There were MM and NME writers from the early 70s who hung out with bands, shared their stash and subsequently rarely if ever said a bad word about them in print. The Madchester thing had the same dynamic and E is the worst possible drug for messing with your critical faculties. Reduces everything to varying shades of attractive wallpaper. Which is why so many of those acts couldn't write a song worth humming and there were so many cover versions or direct lifts from 60s acts. Why are they now untouchable? A lot of people who were 20ish in 1990 and writing about that scene for the music press are now bona fide media / social commentors on tv and in the national press. It's the same kind of nostalgia that I have for going to the Roundhouse on a Sunday in the mid 70s. I am sure most of what I saw was crap but I remember it as being a glorious and vibrant scene. With the exception of the likes of VdGG and Man few of the records back that up. It was mainly cobblers.
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zphage 3378 posts |
Edited Dec 15, 2007, 15:07
Dec 15, 2007, 14:47
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Doors appeared on 'Top of The Pops' on Sept 5, 1968 BBc Doors are Open Oct 4, 1968 Played two shows a night at The Roundhouse on Sept 6th and 7th. Sept 19, 1969 Royal Albert Hall Cancelled Isle of Wight Aug 29, 1970 Six apperances in 1972 without Morrison
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