Shelby Mustang
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Re: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 17, 2007, 22:13
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the guitarist did my head in royally. it became something that i dreaded and that most indupitably does not rock.
he wanted us to believe he was out there.
but every now and then he'd bring his dad to rehearsals bless. oh' yeah' and he used to play eric clapton songs which made me want to cram that blinking les paul up his bottom so far that he'd fart in the chord of E ha ha
yeah' he ruined it really. Automatic doors are dead sadly but i said to the drummer that i want to sing that old aerosmith song Sweet Emotion at least once maybe at a bike bash in the summer that we were going to play. shi...sorry sugar, i want a pair of loon hipster jeans and a tye dye shirt and a big belt and maybe get back to that heavy sixties/seventies vibe and do some Mountain stuff maybe even some Monster Magnet covers to rid myself of that awful experience...
...maybe even write some acid rock of our own and have a fuc... sorry flipping great time jamming at bike do's. just for fun... and lsd!!!
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Dog 3000
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Edited Dec 18, 2007, 00:46
Re: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 00:45
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zphage wrote: The Doors unique instrumental approach and lack of presence in the UK seems to have given them an air of mystery/exoticness that had influence on the postpunk/neo-psych of WAH, Teardrops, Echo, Joy Division, Doll By Doll, Psych Furs, Stranglers. But past that moment the Doors influence receded.
Yes! I think this is the Doors' importance pretty much exactly. They were the primary source for all those dramatic gothy type bands.
Check out that Isle of Wight documentary and note how Doors stick out like a sore thumb: their music is slow and somber and played mostly in the dark, while everybody else is all dilated eyeballs popping out of their dayglo heads while playing endless guitar solos (Free, etc.!)
Doors were arguably more important than the Velvets in this respect (way more people actually listened to The Doors!!)
Musically speaking, it took me a long time to get into them at all -- still not in my personal top 100, but I at least appreciate the atmospherics and the pseudo-jazzy bassless arrangements.
Joy Division was a fine postpunk band, who probably said all they needed to say. They seem more relevant than Doors today somehow -- I guess cuz angst is a growth industry these days!
New Order is just shit. (Won't waste my time explaining why!)
PS on an earlier comment too -- Morrison didn't quit the band before he died, he was sort of "on sabbatical" -- the other three dudes were actually laying down tracks in LA when they heard the news, hence the Morrison-less 1971 LP "Other Voices" (never reissued and deleted from the cultural memory of Doors records! Obviously, it isn't as good as the Jim records. Manzarek is a horrible singer!!!!!)
zphage wrote: {anyone ever heard the 1975 Ashton Bros related New Order?}
Yes, it's pretty typical 70's detroit stuff, like Destroy All Monsters (but not as good) -- this NO was certainly less crappy in relation to it's predecessor than NO-UK!
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vince
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Final Score: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 04:21
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Looks like a score draw to me.
The consensus seems to be thus:
Both bands clearly very important & influential (particularly amongst arty angst-ridden types) with shaman-like lead vocalists who died at their peak. Both were fucking great live bands who made some breathtaking albums. Until......both bands carried on after singers demise but would never again scale such elegant peaks.
In the post-death stakes, New Order win by a clutch of great singles & a couple of very good albums. The Doors scored a host of own goals by getting Astbury in. Both were shite live.
Summing up:
Stone Roses were overrated shite.
Ian Brown solo even shiter.
Happy Mondays better than either of em.
Mark E Smith is in a different time & space. A Sun Ra of our times.
'Madchester' was overrated.
Edinburgh is nicer than Manchester.
Keith A listen to Rainbow.
I think we're done. Next up: Dusty or Kylie?
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Shelby Mustang
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Re: Final Score: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 07:17
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ooooh, now that is a tough one. mmmmmmm kylie. cos she's been (first phase of her career aside) consistently hooky and lets be honest is a class act all round.
and that cat suit........................fu....sorry, flipping nora!
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keith a
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Re: Final Score: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 09:29
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vince wrote: Summing up:
Stone Roses were overrated shite.
Ian Brown solo even shiter.
Happy Mondays better than either of em.
Mark E Smith is in a different time & space. A Sun Ra of our times.
'Madchester' was overrated.
Edinburgh is nicer than Manchester.
Keith A listen to Rainbow.
I think we're done. Next up: Dusty or Kylie?
Ha! Excellent!!
This thread brought back the unwelcome memory that I once did a version of the Rainbow Rising cover in my art class waaaaay waaaay back.
I can't draw for toffee but as I remember it, it wasn't bad actually.
Kylie's made some fab pop records, but Dusty...she's the Queen of Pop for me!
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keith a
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Re: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 09:31
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Dog 3000 wrote:
Manzarek is a horrible singer!!!!!)
He's an ever worse writer. Anyone ever read his autobiography?
Hysterical!
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Jim Tones
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Edited Dec 18, 2007, 15:42
Re: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 15:41
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I still listen to The Doors on occasion - I Love 'em.
They were definately swimming on the dark side of psychedelia
When I first bought 'Unknown Pleasures' not long after it's release, I remember when I heard the track 'Day of the Lords' for the first time, I thought about my older sisters Doors albums, more so later on with 'Heart and Soul' and '24 Hours' - it seemed to have the same 'feel' in certain places- although Curtis sounded far more paranoid!
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Jim Tones
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Re: Final Score: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 15:43
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vince wrote: Mark E Smith is in a different time & space. A Sun Ra of our times.
Quote of the year Vince!
;-)
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Jim Tones
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Re: Final Score: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 15:48
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keith a wrote: [quote="vince"]
This thread brought back the unwelcome memory that I once did a version of the Rainbow Rising cover in my art class waaaaay waaaay back.
Ha! In my art class (same era!), we had other classmates choose album covers for each other to reproduce - what did I get ?
Budgie's "Squawk" =8-[]
;-)
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IanB
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Re: Doors vs Joy Division
Dec 18, 2007, 16:36
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I thought he was very good in Twin Peaks .....
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