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jb lamptoast-morsley
jb lamptoast-morsley
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The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 21:12
Here's one for you, and one that occurred to me as I watched the news this evening. If Jeremy Corbyn is going to fight another leadership campaign, will he need the backing of 50 MP's like other candidates? Cos he certainly wouldn't get it. And how can he go on when there aren't enough MP's willing to join his shadow cabinet? If JC is the leader come the General Election, how can the 170 odd MP's that oppose him possibly stand - wont there be a need for new candidates that actually support him?
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 21:44
He's already got a shadow cabinet in place. I saw something earlier, it was on the lines that if there's no vacancy then he's automatically on the list, as there's actually no vacancy to fill then he'd automatically be on the list and off we go to round two of him being elected, likely by a bigger majority than last time!

Interesting timing this so called coup, it's being linked with the Chilcot report and Corby's demands to have blair tried for war crimes. Most of those who have quit voted for the Iraq war, Libya and Syria and support the Trident renewal, all of which he opposes.

As he'll likely/surely be on the next ballot (if there is one) and he wins what would those quitters do? They've already upset the CLP's who mostly support Corbyn by quitting from their decisions and voting against Corbyn without even bothering to find out the wishes of the communities they're paid to represent! They may find themselves out before Corbyn the way their going!
jb lamptoast-morsley
jb lamptoast-morsley
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 23:09
What was your perception of JC's contribution to the remain campaign? There is a feeling - whether it is totally manufactured by the press I am not sure, that he was a bit half hearted. People keep telling me that he is just not cut out to be a leader.

I am still supporting him, but resigned to the fact that he will never attract more than 25-30% of the vote for the Labour Party.
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 23:34
Well polls today have shown him at about 63% support, also he's had messages of support from SNP, tories and ukip!

With the remain campaign, it's important to remember that it wasn't a Labour campaign, all his job was was to promote the Labour Party's position on it, it was cameron's campaign, he called it, and he sat on his fat arse basically, hardly anywhere to be seen.

Interestingly Angela Eagle was praising Corbyn only recently about how tirelessly he was travelling the country promoting Remain!
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 23:35
When you think he can gather crowd of 10,000 at 24 hours notice it shows the overwhelming support he's got within the party!
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 28, 2016, 23:36
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-legal-advice-automatically-on-ballot-leadership-challenge_uk_577003cfe4b0d2571149d42a
jb lamptoast-morsley
jb lamptoast-morsley
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 29, 2016, 11:54
Thanks for that. The matter might be settled in court then. I really hope he is in the ballot and can't see him losing - no matter what candidate they agree on and rest their hopes in to challenge ( it would seem that 'they', those with no confidence in JC are trying to narrow it down to one candidate).

Can you see a JC led Labour party getting elected?
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 29, 2016, 13:35
For me it's never been about that, for me it's been about steering the party back in the right direction. I think a party led by him stands a good chance.

What people seem to forget is that Labour lost two elections in 2010 and 2015 before Corbyn was leader! Labour weren't even electable then but at least now they've got a huge swelling of members and public support.

If he quits I can see a lot of members going
Toni Torino
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Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 29, 2016, 13:47
Captain Starlet wrote:
For me it's never been about that, for me it's been about steering the party back in the right direction. I think a party led by him stands a good chance.

What people seem to forget is that Labour lost two elections in 2010 and 2015 before Corbyn was leader! Labour weren't even electable then but at least now they've got a huge swelling of members and public support.

If he quits I can see a lot of members going


The Consituency Labour Parties, comprising of grass roots members among others, selected a swathe of Tory-lite non-socialists to stand for election. The members than elected a left-leaning democratic socialist to lead them. It is a bit of a fuck-up. If he wins the vote & stays, as is likely, there will be no effective opposition until the next election. Will the CLPs then deselect those New Labour types for Corbynites? Could get worse before it gets better. We'll see if Labour has the stomach to see it through.
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
877 posts

Re: The Future of the Labour Party
Jun 29, 2016, 14:32
I heard earlier that if he's elected there could well be a deselection process implemented.

Whatever the situation corbyn was under what will happen if he's gone is that there'll be no effective opposition to even stand! Members will leave, also along with them much of the trade union support who'd had enough beforehand
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