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wideford 1086 posts |
Jul 05, 2011, 16:05
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ghosts are usually information, so entropy normally rules out prehistoric survival
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jul 05, 2011, 16:39
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wideford wrote: Littlestone wrote: Ach! Great story Roy... the truth often is, confounding the everyday One of my oldest friends, a guy by the name of John Postans who has sadly passed on now, was a lifelong member of the Ghost Club. It all started for him when there was a knock on the front door of the terrace house he lived in as a child. He opened the door to find a guy in an RAF uniform stood there who asked if he could speak to his mother. John said she was in the kitchen so the guy came in and walked through the lounge then through into the kitchen. John was immediately behind him but when he got into the kitchen the only person there was his mother! He said to me one day that he had learned two things whilst being a member of the GC...the first being that his experience was shared by many others and the second, that there we a lot of people who should be locked up about!!
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Resonox 604 posts |
Jul 05, 2011, 17:16
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Perhaps...just perhaps....all the theories are correct and all stones are there to honour the dead in some way....and our genetic memories forever associate such places with the spirits....and again perhaps the dread is a recent(since organised religion?) phenomenom...Maybe once we would have felt comfort in the presence of our ancestors' "ghosts"....but centuries(millenia??) of being told the dead are scary and harmful and it is wrong to commune with them is why some of us feel dread, however an old speywife(or a descendant of the travelling folk) once told me, the dead havve no desire to harm the living. I'd tell you my own ghost story but it isn't impressive...oh and just to disprove my own theory....I can't explain why animals have fear of the dead(maybe they are only consoled by physical presences and are wary of things they can't see but only sense?????)
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thesweetcheat 6217 posts |
Jul 05, 2011, 18:03
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postman wrote: It was a long time till I plucked up the courage to go back, this time it was afternoon and I had the whole family for support (but they didnt know that) That made me smile postie.
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Jul 05, 2011, 18:25
Jul 05, 2011, 18:06
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Sanctuary wrote: wideford wrote: Littlestone wrote: Ach! Great story Roy... the truth often is, confounding the everyday One of my oldest friends, a guy by the name of John Postans who has sadly passed on now, was a lifelong member of the Ghost Club. It all started for him when there was a knock on the front door of the terrace house he lived in as a child. He opened the door to find a guy in an RAF uniform stood there who asked if he could speak to his mother. John said she was in the kitchen so the guy came in and walked through the lounge then through into the kitchen. John was immediately behind him but when he got into the kitchen the only person there was his mother! He said to me one day that he had learned two things whilst being a member of the GC...the first being that his experience was shared by many others and the second, that there we a lot of people who should be locked up about!! Very well said. I've posted before, with a degree of trepidation about my own experiences, and of a similar type they are very common when you research into it. The normality of these experiences in context, and the 'sanity' of MOST people who have these experiences is very intriguing indeed. There is a level of reality that we do not understand, and simple talk of psychological/hallucination etc is deliberate self seving and dismissive bad science. A bit like The RC Church of old when encountering things that rattle its foundations ie. planetary motion etc that is beyond its comprehension at the given time, beyond the learned accepted framework, (asses on the line), and the asinine ill-educated outbursts of Dawkins types, whose knowledge of what they attack is juvenile re. an intellectual or scholarly knowledge of spirituality/religious/mystical concepts. Fish in barrels, every time. Reader Digest/ Daily Mail in concept and style. Same as the Old Boss. Highly lucrative, and they can make a hell of a lot of money with their private Universities, these luminary science gurus! :-)
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GLADMAN 950 posts |
Jul 05, 2011, 19:47
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No, I must admit I haven't. Not that couldn't be readily explained by circumstances at the site... e.g barbed wire, 'keep out' signs, being overlooked by houses etc. The nearest I've got was spending a night at Segsbury, where something hurtled past the car early morning, not hanging around to be identified. Or wild camping at Glaslyn, Pumlumon, leaving the tent at dead of night to confront 'intruders' only to find no-one there. The banshee wind howling in the guyropes plays havoc which the brain which needs to apply a 'template' to everything. I'm a firm believer that everything has an explanation... even if we aren't advanced enough mentally to know what it is yet. I believe that if it occurs on this planet it must be of this planet..... natural. Having slept upon battlefields where men suffered the most ghastly deaths I'm quite happy with my current belief that there is no such thing as a ghost. Which is not to say that I couldn't be convinced otherwise, however. The same applies to gods/God. Provide the evidence and I'll have no problem with saying 'I was wrong'. However the evidence is not convincing to me. At the current time. I would suggest there was every possibility that we possessed much enhanced senses in our previous 'more primitive' states which have slowly diminished through lack of use, heightened senses that some have randomly (?) retained. Which perhaps may be termed 'extra sensory perception'.... sensing people creeping up behind (essential when hunting), feeling magnetic variations as a bird (apparently) does. Changes in barometic pressure, even.... animals running for cover before a distant storm. Not really 'extra sensory'.. just that we're a shadow of what we once were in respect of our relationship with our habitat. Some may well still retain this 'connection' to nature - not saying I do, but I would like to think my willingness - indeed apparent need - to hang out on mountain tops for hours on end at least signifies I'm very comfortable with our landscape. It's therefore perhaps confusing that my (very Christian) dad did once completely freak out at Chestnuts longbarrow (Kent) when very reluctantly dowsing... only to get a very positive reaction..... whereas I was sure mine was not kosher. Perhaps I was trying too hard and simply subconsciously manufactured what I was after? We are nowhere near understanding the complexities of the human brain - mine is often a swirling mass of contradictory shite - so any definitive positions are, frankly, ludicrous. One day we may get there and conquer all our fear and doubt. However if this comes at the price of also losing our sense of wonder, achievement and gobsmackness at nature, I for one think it will be too high a price to pay.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Jul 05, 2011, 21:55
Jul 05, 2011, 20:50
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Gladman, when you finally write that book please make sure I get a copy. I've been reading this thread with great interest and yours most closely corresponds with my own experiences ... generally a sense of wonder. The only exception being my first visit to Stoney Littleton longbarrow a couple of years ago - I went with two friends who were keen to take photographs inside the barrow (we were just in time for the sun to light up the inside of the barrow so it was quite extraordinary ). However, I was unable to stay inside the barrow for more than a few moments. Furthermore I felt compelled to sit as far away from the entrance of the barrow as possible while I waited for my firiends - my sombre mood didn't lift until went back down the hill. I do suffer from claustrophobia which may have had a bearing though felt completely unable to write a fieldnote about this visit and didn't do so until my second visit last year (I still didn't go inside the barrow).
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Rhiannon 5291 posts |
Jul 06, 2011, 06:29
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Do you know Moss, I had a memorable experience up there on Lansdown too. I mean it probably was nothing and with my memory I can't remember the details, but it's interesting how it's stuck in my head for over ten years. I think we were walking along the top near Hanging Hill, heading towards the racecourse, and this person rode towards us, and when they'd gone past we were both like 'that was a bit odd?' as they weren't using a saddle and they were dressed in sort of rough, not obviously modern clothes. (I can't remember what they were wearing. But it couldn't have been trainers or jeans or anything noticeably contemporary or that wouldn't have pressed the 'peculiar' button). Even if it really was just some bloke on a horse (which is likely I admit), the experience colours my feeling for the place. I guess that's the same for many of the experiences people are recounting on here, you can't easily take away the effect of how you felt at the time, even if afterwards you had it all explained to you Rationally in black and white?
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taryn torhill 8 posts |
Jul 06, 2011, 08:20
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That is so odd....you are describing the exact same thing that happened to me near the town of Sneem in Kerry......this time there were two of us and neither of us could move an inch past the gateway to a "fairy hill" near the river. I have been visiting sites all my life and this has never happened before or since. It's almost as though something didn't want us there....
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ocifant 1758 posts |
Jul 06, 2011, 09:43
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I've documented my experiences at Creeg Tol here previously. But of course, a search doesn't turn anything up at the moment. Basically, I had a very strong sense of dread when approaching Creeg Tol from the east. A threatening evil malevolence. I didn't hang around! Though on subsequent visits the feeling has substantially lessened. It's still there for me, but very much in the background, and never as strong as that first time.
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