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Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 06:29
tjj wrote:
Roy, have just read your post about Jersey. As always, you write really well, I was wondering if you were planning a book on the passage graves of the Channel Isles. I've had a quick look at your excellent link - have bookmarked it and will spend some time browsing. No, I've never visited Jersey or any of the other Channel Isles - hope I manage to get around to it one day.

atb
June


Hi June, thanks for those kind comments. Books on the the megaliths of the Channel Islands are many and in the main written by people far more experienced and knowledgeable than I am being a complete amateur. On saying that, I have been researching and writing down about La Hougue Bie for years because it is THE iconic site of Jersey and is far more than just a burial chamber I believe. It served a far greater purpose and its location and build is of the utmost importance as is what lies around it which never seems to have been taken into account before. La Hougue Bie should be on every stoneheads list of sites to see before you die!
Roy
AngieLake
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Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 13:35
ocifant wrote:
I've documented my experiences at Creeg Tol here previously. But of course, a search doesn't turn anything up at the moment.

Basically, I had a very strong sense of dread when approaching Creeg Tol from the east. A threatening evil malevolence. I didn't hang around!

Though on subsequent visits the feeling has substantially lessened. It's still there for me, but very much in the background, and never as strong as that first time.


While reading through all these spine-tingling reports I've been wondering if Ocifant would mention Creeg Tol, as it is the one site that immediately sprang to mind as being very scary.
(We'd exchanged correspondence on this subject before, via Meg P, hadn't we Ocifant?)
I'd stumbled across this weird little circle while straying off the path from the roadside kissing gate to Boscawen Un back in March 2004, and climbed down the bank around the western side of the large rock on which is the 'Giant's Footprint', or 'Footsteps', to investigate.

For several years [but not as much lately] I have dowsed for original ritual movement in circles and other ancient sites, as well as hidden archaeological features, but before I took my rods out I hurriedly photographed and sketched the location of the low stones. They didn't appear to be that ancient, but one of them was green and evil-looking. The small circle was tucked away close to the towering rock face in which dark crevices lower down gave the strange impression that something evil lurked inside, watching me. Behind me were more low natural rocks and even these emanated 'evil' after I'd climbed onto one to photograph the circle from a higher vantage point. Telling myself not to be silly, I thought I'd try to quickly dowse inside the circle but maybe I was shaking too much, as one of the L-shaped rods slipped from my hand into the covering of long dry grasses inside it. The rod was coppery-bronze and the grasses were the same colour, and for the life of me I couldn't find that slim rod. Even trying to dowse with the other was no help.
The area I was in was hidden from the track and anyone could have passed by on their way to Boscawen Un without seeing me. The only way would be if someone had, like me, walked across the top of the rock to investigate what was down below. Panic began to increase and I wondered if I could leave the area by walking towards the east around the base of the rock, but there didn't appear to be any way out in that direction through the thick undergrowth. Suddenly I just *had* to get away, and scrambled through the overhanging brambles back up the way I'd come. I put as much distance between myself and that spooky area as I could.

I've been to hundreds of sites all over Britain and S.Ireland, yet never had a nerve-wracking experience like that.

I should mention a few facts: on the top there are two main outcrops of rock and the one nearest Boscawen Un also has a water-holding basin with a lip above a ledge overlooking the site of the circle to its right. (An ideal place for a 'baptism'?)
The site also lies under/near overhead telephone wires, so did any energy from them contribute to the eerie effect?
Only about 1/2 a mile along the road is Crows an Wra, or Witches Cross. It occurred to me that a coven practicing black magic had been using this secluded site, either recently or in years gone by.
When the site was cleared a couple of years ago it looked a lot less threatening, though I still won't go down there.
Only on Tuesday 5th July 2011 I looked down upon the circle but the bracken and undergrowth has grown back up and only the tips of a couple of the tallest stones can be seen. I looked to see how people might access it more easily than myself and there appeared to be a flattened track through the vegetation close to the rocks leading from the eastern upper slope of the outcrop with the basin. I did start to walk down it, but hadn't the courage to go all the way! (It would have meant jumping off a low part of the rock and I imagined the struggle I'd have had climbing back up again at my age!)
It still spooks me!

As for dogs acting strangely... I remember after a group of us dowsed a site with permission of the landowners, they came to see the results and their springer spaniel adapted a 'pointing' pose, staring intently at the man who'd triggered the operation by telling us his ancient [really ancient!] ancestors once lived there. A rather strange individual and no relation to the landowners. That was spooky.
moss
moss
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Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 15:11
Scary story, it restores my 'faith' in ghosts and witches, especially when two people have had the same experience. Do malevolent spirits occupy stones I wonder?


AngieLake wrote:
ocifant wrote:
I've documented my experiences at Creeg Tol here previously. But of course, a search doesn't turn anything up at the moment.

Basically, I had a very strong sense of dread when approaching Creeg Tol from the east. A threatening evil malevolence. I didn't hang around!

Though on subsequent visits the feeling has substantially lessened. It's still there for me, but very much in the background, and never as strong as that first time.


While reading through all these spine-tingling reports I've been wondering if Ocifant would mention Creeg Tol, as it is the one site that immediately sprang to mind as being very scary.
(We'd exchanged correspondence on this subject before, via Meg P, hadn't we Ocifant?)
I'd stumbled across this weird little circle while straying off the path from the roadside kissing gate to Boscawen Un back in March 2004, and climbed down the bank around the western side of the large rock on which is the 'Giant's Footprint', or 'Footsteps', to investigate.

For several years [but not as much lately] I have dowsed for original ritual movement in circles and other ancient sites, as well as hidden archaeological features, but before I took my rods out I hurriedly photographed and sketched the location of the low stones. They didn't appear to be that ancient, but one of them was green and evil-looking. The small circle was tucked away close to the towering rock face in which dark crevices lower down gave the strange impression that something evil lurked inside, watching me. Behind me were more low natural rocks and even these emanated 'evil' after I'd climbed onto one to photograph the circle from a higher vantage point. Telling myself not to be silly, I thought I'd try to quickly dowse inside the circle but maybe I was shaking too much, as one of the L-shaped rods slipped from my hand into the covering of long dry grasses inside it. The rod was coppery-bronze and the grasses were the same colour, and for the life of me I couldn't find that slim rod. Even trying to dowse with the other was no help.
The area I was in was hidden from the track and anyone could have passed by on their way to Boscawen Un without seeing me. The only way would be if someone had, like me, walked across the top of the rock to investigate what was down below. Panic began to increase and I wondered if I could leave the area by walking towards the east around the base of the rock, but there didn't appear to be any way out in that direction through the thick undergrowth. Suddenly I just *had* to get away, and scrambled through the overhanging brambles back up the way I'd come. I put as much distance between myself and that spooky area as I could.

I've been to hundreds of sites all over Britain and S.Ireland, yet never had a nerve-wracking experience like that.

I should mention a few facts: on the top there are two main outcrops of rock and the one nearest Boscawen Un also has a water-holding basin with a lip above a ledge overlooking the site of the circle to its right. (An ideal place for a 'baptism'?)
The site also lies under/near overhead telephone wires, so did any energy from them contribute to the eerie effect?
Only about 1/2 a mile along the road is Crows an Wra, or Witches Cross. It occurred to me that a coven practicing black magic had been using this secluded site, either recently or in years gone by.
When the site was cleared a couple of years ago it looked a lot less threatening, though I still won't go down there.
Only on Tuesday 5th July 2011 I looked down upon the circle but the bracken and undergrowth has grown back up and only the tips of a couple of the tallest stones can be seen. I looked to see how people might access it more easily than myself and there appeared to be a flattened track through the vegetation close to the rocks leading from the eastern upper slope of the outcrop with the basin. I did start to walk down it, but hadn't the courage to go all the way! (It would have meant jumping off a low part of the rock and I imagined the struggle I'd have had climbing back up again at my age!)
It still spooks me!

As for dogs acting strangely... I remember after a group of us dowsed a site with permission of the landowners, they came to see the results and their springer spaniel adapted a 'pointing' pose, staring intently at the man who'd triggered the operation by telling us his ancient [really ancient!] ancestors once lived there. A rather strange individual and no relation to the landowners. That was spooky.
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 19:35
moss wrote:
Do malevolent spirits occupy stones I wonder?


Absolutely 100% certain that stones do not hold spirits, malevolent or otherwise. Chambered long barrows can feel suffocating and claustrophobic - by their very design (they're burial chambers after all). Anything else is a projection of our own fears.

Ghosts? When I see one I'll report back.
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
2557 posts

Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 21:28
tjj wrote:
drewbhoy wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
drewbhoy wrote:
I sent you a message explaining the situation Tjj. It will all become clearer soon, I hope.


Don't forget to knock three times for "yes" Drew.


And if I knock for long enough I'll get an answer. The knocking worked and help is on its way sometime next week.


Message enthralled and much appreciated. Good stone hunting intrepid one.

J


Loads of stuff coming the Seacats and your way. Found something else today, very strange.
handofdave
handofdave
3515 posts

Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 09, 2011, 21:33
Don't think so. I really don't have any explanation.
faerygirl
412 posts

Grimspound
Jul 09, 2011, 22:47
God that place made me feel ill. I drove half the day to get there then promptly turned around and left.

Urgh
Littlestone
Littlestone
5386 posts

Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 10, 2011, 07:00
Do malevolent spirits occupy stones I wonder?


Some do, especially at the more well-known sites; they come in the shape of benefit fraudsters, impersonators, drug and alcohol layabouts, litterbugs and louts (and they’re just the ones still to pass over ;-)
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 10, 2011, 07:27
Oi, I don't drop litter!

There's one thing that crosses my mind, if you're going to believe in some woo relating to stones you'd better believe in all woo relating to stones, including ghosts, as there's as much evidence for all as for some.
moss
moss
2897 posts

Edited Jul 10, 2011, 09:51
Re: Unexplained uneasy feeling
Jul 10, 2011, 08:48
nigelswift wrote:
Oi, I don't drop litter!

There's one thing that crosses my mind, if you're going to believe in some woo relating to stones you'd better believe in all woo relating to stones, including ghosts, as there's as much evidence for all as for some.


The Ghost in the Machine......

Well I see I have to defend my thinking again! Trouble with egocentric humans they think human all the time, their own very short brief time space on this earth allows us to judge ALL things mmmm!; minds so narrowly corralled within their own belief systems such as scientific understanding. ;) What they don't understand is that which appertains to something called deep ecology (woo-woo maybe) which is about nature, the natural world we all occupy. When I talk 'spirit' my mentors are Wendell Berry, Gary Snyder and David Abrams. The 'essence' of place, the essence of trees, plants and stone, the deeper meaning, maybe its history, but all forms started somewhere.
Look at something intrinsically alive, a plant moving with the wind, now look at a stone, is it dead? or does it remind you that maybe trapped inside are sparkling quartz, fossilized creatures, that maybe the creative earth we live on has moulded that stone over millions of years into a form we see as having an 'essence' perhaps we should respect the world we live in and not anaylsis it to destruction ..
As for 'claustrophobic' encounters in longbarrows, again a human interaction of no importance to the longbarrow which exists in its own time of long ago, subjective and emotional responses are based in the individual.

I would have renamed this thread 'Spirit of Place' by the way ;)
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