Shanshee....I'm impressed. Straight to the point with your analysis. Your dismissal of CSM is a gem. Trying to find music with that edge of menace is always a necessary search. Menace describes King Crimson and VDGG perfectly. I have always thought that there was a point when the term Prog splintered away from what is 'progressive music', that the former has become a pejorative term quite divorced from the aims behind finding a progressive way of doing things.