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Re: Damn it.
Mar 17, 2017, 19:41
drewbhoy wrote:
carol27 wrote:
tjj wrote:
Howburn Digger wrote:
thispoison wrote:

IndyRef#1 was a great time to live in Scotland. It woke up and politicised a mass of people who had never really cared to exercise their vote before. On both sides.
It destroyed a Scottish Labour who had utterly failed the people of Scotland since the dawn of the Thatcher-era. And drove the contemptible Scottish Conservatives to become the "No Surrender" party in a failed attempt to "Ulster-ise" Scotland. Bigotry proving to be the real last refuge of the Scoundrel. And it showed up the BBC and entire British media for the lying sacks of shit they actually are.
It did leave some unfinished business though, which will be concluded with a positive vote for Independence in around eighteen months.

@thispoison - That is quite lovely! I love it! Indyref was a brilliant time. I loved it all. I can only add that the lying sack of pus David Smug Cameron slipped the cherry on the cake (or should it be the turd onto the porridge) by calling the EU Referendum afterwards. The joyous, glorious, beautiful irony of the twisted bluff is not missed by anyone North of The Wall. Cameron (who actually loved the EU with its cheap labour, free corporate operations, free trade etc) called the bluff and lost - spectacularly. But here... in the North... (beyond the grapeline...) we fudgepacked Cameron on the exact issue he tried to Project Fear us with in the first place ("if Scotland votes for Independence then it will be out of the EU"). So Scotland doesn't vote to leave the EU and now we're going to have another vote on Independence. You were putting out fire with gasoline Mr Cameron... Mr Cameron? Mr Cameron? Where did that Mr Cameron disappear to? He's gone away? Oh well... oh dear - how sad - never mind.

From the hoisting of the Red Flag in George Square in 1919 just before the British Govt sent the tanks in against its own people... to the flying of the Palestinian Flag over George Square... George Square has seen many flags hoisted. Long may it continue.

Very eloquent HD. I'm not getting drawn into Scottish Independence arguments but want to say something I've been struggling to articulate for a while. Have just watched Ken Loach's "I, Daniel Blake" - set in Newcastle, not a million miles from the Scottish border. I don't get how being the other side of the border in England suddenly makes people not worth thinking about - almost the enemy. Because that is how you make us feel - to be English means we are 'petty little people' dancing to the tune of our Westminster masters. When really most of us are just like you. I believe in Socialism; a decent standard of health, welfare and education for everyone in the UK. It will never happen while we have a Tory Government continually feathering the nests of bankers and big business. Would you not consider standing together with us Scotland, your baffled and bewildered neighbours - to make things fairer, better for all.

I think I know your answer.

Here, here, or hear, hear depending tjj. HD I consider myself to be "North" " of the border, in regard to the local council expenditure allowances;the utter disregard in view of local opinion, for eg the railroading through 're the recent fracking decisions in Lancashire; the preponderance of food banks; the very obvious increase of the homeless on our streets. I could go on. I feel disenfranchised. I feel upset. I long for freedom from central tory govt. I vote against it & protest. My point is..I suppose I don't believe it is just the Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Cornish people who are being shafted.

I think I know what HD is getting at, and I disagree with a lot of what he sometimes says, is that 56 out of 59 MPs represent the people who live in Scotland. May has no mandate up here. At Edinburgh the Scottish Green Party (my lot) and the SNP, parties who support independence NOT nationalism are the majority. Scottish Labour For Independence are also beginning to grow.

However Scotland has continually voted Labour in the past and that has done us no good at all. The Torylite just pander to the Westminster system. We didn't vote the Tories in up here but we look south and wonder what the hell the electorate is up to.

Yes so do I. It's mental :)
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