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Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 03:50
drewbhoy wrote:
IanB wrote:
As a instinctual internationalist I struggle with the very idea of nationalism as a political movement. My mind is open I just don't understand the argument or what the appeal is beyond tribalism and an arbitrary and wholly nostalgic sense of what constitutes a nation state.

Should we turn the clock back to 1708 for everyone in Europe and return Greece to Venetian rule, turn a chunk of Holland over to Spain and send the rest of the Balkans into the arms of Turkey? 300 years on is there really any difference?


Why should we suffer from a Govt and unionist parties that don't care? Its lies lies and more lies. I'd hoped and expected more from Corbyn but in the end he fell down at the first hurdle. As for nationalism I don't believe in that but I do believe in independence and Scotlands right to care for the disadvantaged/elderly/refugees/schools/health and so on.

Turn the clock back 300 years if you want, doesn't make sense to me. We are looking forwards to creating a better Scotland, getting rid of sectarianism (the Vote No dream of keeping this going has had its day), taking on the racists, proper care for the elderly/disabled, better education etc etc. Maybe it is idealism but at least it's a start. It's wonderful that many people south of the border send letters/emails to the Scottish MPs asking for help with their concerns. No reason for that to stop if we are independent.


Well said Drew.

Corbyn is in favour - as am I - of a united Ireland (or Northern Ireland seceding from the UK, to put it another way) so that's alright? Hypocrite. Where did Scotland go wrong? Maybe a bit of terrorism would have brought him on board?!

What about a lnternationally recognised Palestinian State? Fine. Ukrainian (and all the former USSR nations) continued independence from Russia? Great. Chechneya? Of course! A Catalan free state? Wonderful! A free Tibet? Get out the bunting!

So it's just Scottish independence that would somehow be a retrograde / "nostalgic" step?

Why then end the UK at our current "arbitrary" borders? Why not just subsume the UK into a Euro-Superstate if he's such an Internationalist?

It's about SELF-DETERMINATION. When the majority of Scottish people want an independent nation, they'll get it. Nothing the little-Englanders - or Islington "International Socialists" - or the rest of the UK - will be able to do about it. They, rightly, will not have any say.

Enjoy your "Constitutional Monarchy" - not Democracy - Corbyn, and remember you're duty as one of Her Majesty's "Subjects" - she must be delighted that you're so happy to toe the line. Worra rebel!


And IanB defeats his own argument. All those other Nations he mentions have evolved over the last 300 years. Why should Scotland not be allowed to do the same? It's not turning the clock back, it's moving it forward, taking our future into our own hands, making our own decisions, after far too long enduring rule from Westminster Govts that WE DID NOT VOTE FOR.

The British Empire is FUCKING OVER!
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