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keith a 9576 posts |
Apr 25, 2015, 13:57
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Captain Starlet wrote: Maybe that's the trick? Get them, listen once or twice and leave them for a few years? I think so, yes!
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phallus dei 583 posts |
Edited Apr 25, 2015, 14:37
Apr 25, 2015, 14:37
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Captain Starlet wrote: I never brought KMSA as at that time I wasn't exactly enamoured with listening to Cope. The whole Black Sheep revolutionary thing has never really left me convinced. The Black Sheep era always struck me as completely sincere, reflecting the excitement of someone who was seriously delving into our collective revolutionary history for the very first time and considering the possibilities of systemic and radical change.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Apr 25, 2015, 17:16
Apr 25, 2015, 17:14
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phallus dei wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: I never brought KMSA as at that time I wasn't exactly enamoured with listening to Cope. The whole Black Sheep revolutionary thing has never really left me convinced. The Black Sheep era always struck me as completely sincere, reflecting the excitement of someone who was seriously delving into our collective revolutionary history for the very first time and considering the possibilities of systemic and radical change. I don't think it was insincere I just think it was creatively more than a bit half-baked in a Tony James, Sigue Sigue Sputnik / Carbon-Silicon, concept-first-songwriting-later-if-we-really-have-to kind of a way.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Apr 26, 2015, 09:57
Apr 25, 2015, 17:15
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Captain Starlet wrote: I never brought KMSA as at that time I wasn't exactly enamoured with listening to Cope. The whole Black Sheep revolutionary thing has never really left me convinced. He also came out with a fair amount of daft bollocks in some of his Drudions around the time of YGAPWM which put me right off the whole Potemkin Village People thing before it had really got going.
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billding68 1016 posts |
Edited Apr 26, 2015, 01:00
Apr 25, 2015, 17:51
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keith a wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: Maybe that's the trick? Get them, listen once or twice and leave them for a few years? I think so, yes! I sorry but if you need to convince yourself over a period of years into believing something is good then , well.... The issue with Cope stuff is that most is available for a limited time so you have to get it before its gone, Thekla for instance was out for a VERY limited time also same with some of the Rite albums as well as more "proper" albums like most everything on the HH label actually. so you have to take a leap of faith that it will be a worthwhile purchase without the benefit of feedback from others also living in the U.S. most of his stuff is rather expensive. I personally stopped after psychedelic revolution because to me it just not worth spending 30ish dollars for two or three good tunes per album.I did pick up pretty much everything to that point except the black sheep stuff which really had zero appeal to me.doesnt mean I will never buy another cope album but im quite sure I wouldn't pick up another self releasedself produced album that to be sounds like a demo or basement tape.
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lord gazzington 72 posts |
Apr 26, 2015, 09:54
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I really like the citizen album and there are several songs that I really like on the newer stuff (black sheep album had wonderful moments). I missed out on albums like Rome and several others which are now unavailable. Does anyone think he will rerelease these again?
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keith a 9576 posts |
Apr 26, 2015, 11:06
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billding68 wrote: keith a wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: Maybe that's the trick? Get them, listen once or twice and leave them for a few years? I think so, yes! I sorry but if you need to convince yourself over a period of years into believing something is good then , well.... I didn't say that. I said they sound better when you go back to them.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Apr 26, 2015, 12:00
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I've been trying the same with Dark Orgasm, which I've pretty much detested since it's release. I'm working nights at the moment so have plenty of time and opportunity to pop the headphones on and block out the droning sounds of Big brother debates and who's pretending to be a comic fan this week. I think there's a moment when you go back to the albums when they just 'click'. It took me a while for that to happen with Hendrix. Personally, for me, the perfect time to listen to Hey Joe is speeding down the motorway at 3am without the full beam on, but pretending you're somewhere in the future as the lights on the dashboard look pretty cool!
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phallus dei 583 posts |
Apr 26, 2015, 15:46
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IanB wrote: phallus dei wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: I never brought KMSA as at that time I wasn't exactly enamoured with listening to Cope. The whole Black Sheep revolutionary thing has never really left me convinced. The Black Sheep era always struck me as completely sincere, reflecting the excitement of someone who was seriously delving into our collective revolutionary history for the very first time and considering the possibilities of systemic and radical change. I don't think it was insincere I just think it was creatively more than a bit half-baked in a Tony James, Sigue Sigue Sputnik / Carbon-Silicon, concept-first-songwriting-later-if-we-really-have-to kind of a way. I'd agree that Black Sheep was probably a case of "concept first, music afterward", but in this case it was a concept that worked. As a form of street theater, supposedly meant to "shock the masses out of their stupor", I thought the Black Sheep project was viable. Yeah, like most fringe musicians, Cope was still only speaking to his established audience, but at least conceptually, the idea of he and his Black Sheep boys marching down London's streets, spontaneously playing a few songs/chants to a bewildered audience of passers-by, was a way to engage "the masses" and reach out of his narrow fan-base. I thought it was quite brilliant and totally right-on. Also, as an album, I found KMSA to be extremely varied - with songs that were like acoustic takes on Rite, Amon Duul-type tracks, and a closing QE-style space-out. So I was quite satisfied with KMSA as an album, and rank it as one of Cope's best experimental releases.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Apr 26, 2015, 16:05
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phallus dei wrote: IanB wrote: phallus dei wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: I never brought KMSA as at that time I wasn't exactly enamoured with listening to Cope. The whole Black Sheep revolutionary thing has never really left me convinced. The Black Sheep era always struck me as completely sincere, reflecting the excitement of someone who was seriously delving into our collective revolutionary history for the very first time and considering the possibilities of systemic and radical change. I don't think it was insincere I just think it was creatively more than a bit half-baked in a Tony James, Sigue Sigue Sputnik / Carbon-Silicon, concept-first-songwriting-later-if-we-really-have-to kind of a way. I'd agree that Black Sheep was probably a case of "concept first, music afterward", but in this case it was a concept that worked. As a form of street theater, supposedly meant to "shock the masses out of their stupor", I thought the Black Sheep project was viable. Yeah, like most fringe musicians, Cope was still only speaking to his established audience, but at least conceptually, the idea of he and his Black Sheep boys marching down London's streets, spontaneously playing a few songs/chants to a bewildered audience of passers-by, was a way to engage "the masses" and reach out of his narrow fan-base. I thought it was quite brilliant and totally right-on. I dunno how much engaging the masses actually happened. The masses haven't had a clue who Cope is for about 25 years so it's only going to connect if it is really well done and/or you have fantastic tunes. I have seen Reverend Billy and his Church of Stop Shopping do that kind music-led street theatre come agitprop thing up close a couple of times and he is just at another level entirely in terms of getting civilians engaged. They also run the kind of personal risks in taking their protest directly to the police line on the streets that you never see rock 'n' rollers doing. In the end the Black Sheep concept just rang a bit hollow to me and the individual parts didn't seem to make a cohesive whole what with the nutty Drudions and the quasi-survivalist gun play and the stab vest thing etc etc.
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