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Dog 3000 4611 posts |
Jul 30, 2008, 21:28
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The story of "punk" is a long interesting one -- term first used to describe those 60's "nuggets" groups like Count 5, Standells, Seeds, etc. then later the less-progressive end of the US metal spectrum (Stooges & MC5 mainly.) Lester Bangs was regularly using the term by c. 1971; the original Nuggets LP itself came out in 1972 I believe (thus codifying a particular style of music that had been mostly seen as random disposable teenage junk previously.) The "punk" concept and term are further codified in the mid-70's with the foundation of the fanzine called "Punk" (Legs MacNeil is the most famous alumnus), whose aesthetic was centered around The Dictators, New York Dolls, Iggy, Lou Reed and later the Ramones (very NYC-centric obviously -- there wasn't much that could be considered punk outside of New York and a few weirdos in Ohio and maybe California. The Detroit scene was all but dead by the mid-70's.) Just as important as the music they championed was the "punk lifestyle" -- which at that point had nothing to do with safety pins or mohawks (see the early Ramones and Dictators band pics: long hair, denim and leather, very working class.) I don't believe Punk magazine gave as much attention to the likes of Television or Richard Hell, cuz they were sorta "intellectual" which was against the credo. AND ONLY THEN the "London 1977" thing happens (the UK style largely driven by Richard Hell & Ramones via Malcolm McLaren's trip to America to manage the NY Dolls) . . . the story continues with "post-punk" in the UK and "hardcore" in North America (which, yes, had a very specific meaning in the US context back in the 80's. Even bands like Sonic Youth and Dinosaur jr used to joke about how "hardcore" they were. Kind of like the indie-punk version of being "very metal.") And finally "grunge" and platinum-level American sales for Nirvana and old catalog items like, yes, THE SEX PISTOLS (finally -- they were a complete dud here in the 70's ya know.) However Nirvana was definitely NOT "hardcore" -- I think the term/concept was dead by the 90's anyway. (Probably invented c. 1978-79 when Black Flag put out their first batch of 4 song / 6 minute EP's -- fast, short, aggressive songs that make the Ramones or Clash sound very old fashioned. Nirvana was both too metal and too pop to be hardcore. But heck, even Black Flag was often accused of giving up on hardcore and going "metal" in the Rollins years . . .) Anyway, obviously the terms mean different things in different places and times . . . . I think the cool thing about "punk" (like "metal" before it) is that it is a style of music that grew out of a cross-Atlantic "conversation" between the US & UK (American blues inspires British groups leading up to Led Zeppelin, which in turn inspired legions of riffy American bands, but the hard rock scene gets fat and sappy with too much boogie so NWOBHM kick in, which inspires Metallica and all the "thrash" groups of the 80's, and so on and so on. I suppose the larger history of RnR could be seen much the same way (Elvis to Beatles and back and forth and so on.) Must be because of the language thing that this goes on between the two largest English-speaking countries (though even the Germans and Japanese etc. mostly sing rock in English.)
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paradox 1576 posts |
Jul 30, 2008, 21:32
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The Plasmatics and Wendy O were fantastic! New Hope For The Wretched is an all time classic and even later albums like Maggots (The Record) are magnificent! Good call Tinky!
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rojo 433 posts |
Jul 31, 2008, 18:16
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I don't usually comment on these best band/song type threads but I am going through a Sandinista! crush at the moment. Not heard the 1st two but love London Calling and just ordered combat rock. What impresses me about em is their breadth of style and the way the songs creep into your consciousness after repeated plays..on Sandinista! its taken me about 3 weeks to appreciate it
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Jul 31, 2008, 19:33
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elegant chaos wrote: I was talking chronologically - Wendy came after Nico and Mo.....Honey came before..... Can't find it on youtube anywhere, but I remember a clip of an interview with her from the Joe Meek docu on BBC4 which shows how much female stereotypes needed breaking down in those days! All the interviewer did was ask her questions lilke "What's it like being a girl in a band full of men?" and "Doesn't using those heavy drumsticks make your arms hurt?" Different times...
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Aug 01, 2008, 16:14
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keith a wrote: Cod-shit? I'm confused. Does that make them good then? It very nearly makes them taramosalata.
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Sir John Dunn 530 posts |
Aug 01, 2008, 19:33
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Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Cod-shit? I'm confused. Does that make them good then? taramosalata. New genre alert!
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zphage 3378 posts |
Aug 01, 2008, 19:37
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I think the Velvets are overrated. Monks, Sonics, Wailers and US garage band scene, Detroit 60's scene, Crushed Butler, Third World War indicate punk was gonna happen. I think there is also a Eurpean artiness and American rootiness schism... which Velvets made peace with on Loaded. Clash definitely tapped the rootiness with Calling and Sandinista.
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Randlepmcmurphy 30 posts |
Aug 02, 2008, 02:37
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So were agreed then The best band ever. Thankyou.
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zphage 3378 posts |
Aug 02, 2008, 04:32
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From UNcut: THE CLASH NEW YORK LIVE ALBUM TO BE RELEASED The Clash Rare live performances on a DVD and a new band autobiography coming too ARTIST INFO The Clash A new live album recorded on The Clash's US tour with The Who in 1982 is to finally be released as a live album on October 6. The Clash 'Live at Shea Stadium’ was recorded by Glyn Jones on the band's second night (October 13) at the stadium, opening for The Who on their farewell tour of America. The recording of the show, previously unreleased, was apparently found by the late Joe Strummer whilst packing for a move. The full Clash ‘Live at Shea Stadium’ track listing is: Kosmo Vinyl Introduction London Calling Police On My Back Guns Of Brixton Tommy Gun The Magnificent Seven Armagideon Time The Magnificent Seven (return) Rock The Casbah Train In vain Career Opportunities Spanish Bombs Clampdown English Civil War Should I Stay Or Should I Go I Fought The Law Also released by SonyBMG on the same day will be a Don Letts-directed and edited DVD, ‘The Clash Live –Revolution Rock’ following the band through rare and unreleased live footage as well as interviews. The full list of performances on the The Clash Live - Revolution Rock is: ‘The Clash Live – Revolution Rock’ tracklisting: Complete Control I Fought the Law (London Lyceum ‘79) Police & Thieves (Munich ‘77) What's My Name (Manchester Elizabethan Suite ‘77) – previously unreleased Capitol Radio One (Manchester Elizabethan Suite ‘77) – previously unreleased White Riot I'm So Bored With the U.S.A. (Manchester Apollo ‘78) – previously unreleased London's Burning (London Victoria Park ‘78) 1977 (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (Glasgow Apollo ‘78) Tommy Gun Safe European Home (London Music Machine ‘78) London Calling (New York Bonds International Casino ‘81) Clampdown (Lewisham Odeon ‘80) The Guns of Brixton (Fridays ‘80) Train in Vain (Lewisham Odeon ‘80) This Is Radio Clash (The Tomorrow Show ‘81) – previously unreleased The Magnificent Seven (The Tomorrow Show ‘81) – previously unreleased Brand New Cadillac (Tokyo Sun Plaza Hall ‘82) – previously unreleased Should I Stay or Should I Go (Shea Stadium ‘82) Know Your Rights (US Festival ‘83) – previously unreleased Career Opportunities (Shea Stadium ‘82) A new officially authorised autobiography The Clash by The Clash, the story of the band in their own words, is also to be unveiled on October 3. Compiled from extensive interviews with Joe Strummer, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon and Topper Headon originally recorded for the documentary Westway to The World, the book will be available through Atlantic Publishing. Talking about the Shea Stadium show, Strummer said: "We played Shea Stadium with The Who and it was fun to play Career Opportunities in a place like that, when six years earlier we’d written it in Camden Town" whilst Simonon recalled hanging out with The Who. He said: "During the Shea Stadium gig and other dates of that tour, Pete Townshend would come into our dressing room and we’d have a game of football. At Shea he said come back to our dressing room, so we did and there was (Roger) Daltrey and all these miserable gits sitting around who wouldn’t talk to us. So Pete (Townshend) came back to our dressing room with us."
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Beebon 1375 posts |
Aug 02, 2008, 22:29
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I really do not agree. There are loads and loads of bands who I prefer way more.
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