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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Dec 16, 2020, 17:20
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I dunno. All this talk of they want, they want, and it being subtle. I don't see any of the conspiracies, am I obtuse or are you over-checking? What I see are some people under-qualified to lead or run a whelk stall (Boris, Raab?) right out of their depth and peddling hard to please while serving the interests of their allies in commerce. Ditto Trump, If that's a conspiracy fair enough but it's not planned, it's day-to-day and not subtle, not planned, not hidden just bleeding obvious and made up afresh every day for the past year. I wonder if it matters which of us is right. Planned or incompetent, who cares, it's malign and people are dying needlessly. I've got it right, I never go out and won't until I have to go to hospital and then the conspiracy or the incompetence will do for me.
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Amil04 447 posts |
Dec 22, 2020, 20:23
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https://youtu.be/q9qeLcq3y8w Channel 4 2010
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 01, 2021, 18:00
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thispoison wrote: If you aren't fighting against the lockdown you are complicit in mass murder. Discuss. Rachel Clarke, palliative care doctor, Oxford: With deaths back up to 1000 a day, I keep thinking of all the high profile politicians, journalists, pundits, positive professors & the like who shamelessly pushed the ludicrous line that the pandemic was nothing but scaremongering. I hope you all feel super proud of yourselves.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 03, 2021, 15:07
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Kirstie Allsopp @KirstieMAllsopp Covid is a horrible disease but it is very, very, very rare for it to impact children. They are still at far more danger from journeys in cars, or swimming, or trampolining than Covid. Please do not let anyone persuade you otherwise. 9:25 pm · 2 Jan 2021·Twitter for iPhone Henery Iggins @HeneryIggins Replying to @KirstieMAllsopp How dare you tell parents to kill grandparents like me. You should be fucking locked up forever,
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Jan 03, 2021, 23:52
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2020 had the eighth highest UK death rate out of the last 27 years. All in all with the NHS pretty much closed for business for Cancer, Heart Disease, Kidney Failure, Hypertension, Stress, Stroke, Drug & Alcohol addictions and general consultations - didn't the NHS do pretty well? We will now be seeing massive waves of deaths of people who have been untreated for those conditions I listed above (and loads of other I couldn't be arsed typing up). In fact many of those dying of one that list of conditions might well test positive for a respiratory virus as they are dying of their untreated complaint. You know how Cancer, Stress, Diabetes etc weakens the immune system. Perfect storm, and they will be listed as Covid Deaths. This figure will also be topped up by the regular huge number of Winter Respiratory Virus deaths (including this year's new variant/ rising star) among the elderly and infirm pinned down in Care Homes. Many of them have hardly been outside or had fresh air in 10 months. Not good for anyone's immune system that. If anyone imagines that Matt Handcock is going to try and break down the figures of who was dying (untreated) of what, who actually died of Covid (whichever variant) and who died of basic medical-neglect-through-Lockdown - then think again. The whole perfect NHS Wrecking Storm will be placed at a Covid door. Lockdown till 2023.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 04, 2021, 07:49
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"We will now be seeing massive waves of deaths of people who have been untreated" Of course we will, that's the nature of the catastrophe. But you seem to be saying they should be being treated, as covid is a lesser issue. Well, maybe some, but my consultants say I will quite likely get Covid if I go into hospital and thousands of consultants are presumably saying the same to millions of people. As it happens, it's my preference, and that of many others I would guess, to die of something other than covid. So it's not as binary as you are painting it. Vast numbers more are going to die and no change of approach will change that now.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Jan 04, 2021, 13:45
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nigelswift wrote: "We will now be seeing massive waves of deaths of people who have been untreated" Of course we will, that's the nature of the catastrophe. But you seem to be saying they should be being treated, as covid is a lesser issue. Well, maybe some, but my consultants say I will quite likely get Covid if I go into hospital and thousands of consultants are presumably saying the same to millions of people. As it happens, it's my preference, and that of many others I would guess, to die of something other than covid. So it's not as binary as you are painting it. Vast numbers more are going to die and no change of approach will change that now. I said "Now we will be seeing massive waves of deaths of people who have been untreated for those conditions I listed above." That is what I said. I did not paint any "binary". YOU have. It is you suggesting that and pointing out ways that you dont want to die. Few people are given that choice. Well done you! Of course I am saying that people with Cancer should be treated. That is what the NHS is for! It is what we pay for. Are you saying that they shouldn't be treated in case you catch Covid when you are in hospital for something else? That is what you seem to be suggesting, though implying that "your consultants" are telling you this. I presume that you would be in hospital for something "other" than Covid in this imaginary future scenario. So are you suggesting that you should be in there getting treated but others (with for example Cancer, Kidney Disease, Heart Disease) should not?
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 04, 2021, 14:26
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I think you know I'm not but I'm disinclined to defend myself.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Jan 05, 2021, 16:20
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The NHS has enough critical care beds but not enough staff to man them with 30 – 40% nurses now off "self isolating" with a (probably false) positive PCR test. Instead of the usual couple of days off sick they now have a 10 day minimum (a figure either plucked from the sky or dreamed up by SAGE "experts"). Add to that all the measures now put in place to separate "positive" from "negative" patients and you have a Handcock/ SAGE inflicted recipe for a train wreck disaster within the wards. No one at SAGE will ever now admit their earlier mistakes and will continue to double down on completely ineffective "measures". The whole mass PCR testing and SAGE advice/affair is an economic, social and Health catastrophe. The Tories always hated the NHS and the train wreck can only be evidence of this. As the Circus continues we now have recently vaccinated Drs off with a positive test but no symptoms. SAGE's catastrophic visions pf "asymptomatic spread" has now been shown to be a myth undermining the whole rationale for any lockdown. The UK is currently testing around 10 times the number of people than France or Germany. This means we have almost 10 times the number of "new infections". But our death rates are pretty much nailed to those of France and Germany proving that this "spike" is simply a result of massively expanded testing. Covid “cases” in the UK for January 4th. Britain's testing dwarfs that of France, Italy and Germany, even though the number of deaths is pretty much the same. UK – 58,784 Cases/407 deaths France – 4,022 Case/378 deaths Italy – 10,800 Cases/348 deaths Germany – 8,039 Cases/527 deaths Farce. Covid is now endemic and we’re not in the midst of a genuine “surge” or "spike" in infections and deaths, which is why the winter mortality data is pretty much as normal.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 05, 2021, 17:00
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Howburn Digger wrote: Covid “cases” in the UK for January 4th. Britain's testing dwarfs that of France, Italy and Germany, even though the number of deaths is pretty much the same. UK – 58,784 Cases/407 deaths France – 4,022 Case/378 deaths Italy – 10,800 Cases/348 deaths Germany – 8,039 Cases/527 deaths Farce. Covid is now endemic and we’re not in the midst of a genuine “surge” or "spike" in infections and deaths, which is why the winter mortality data is pretty much as normal. 16 mins ago — UK: Cases 60,916/830 deaths.
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