Howburn Digger
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Edited May 27, 2021, 14:15
Re: THE DISEASE
May 27, 2021, 13:43
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nigelswift wrote: 56,677,012 vaccines have been administered. The majority of covid patients in hospital are people who've been offered jabs and refused them.
Where are our resident jab sceptics?
The majority of Covid patients in hospital are NOT 'people who have been offered jabs and refused them'.
Scotland currently has NO People with Covid in ICU.
The majority of people in hospital with Covid are in hospital with Cancer, Heart Disease and the other traditional reasons. The majority caught The Disease by traditional means. That is by breathing. The average age of Death With Covid remains at 83 while average Life Expectancy in Britain has stuck stubbornly at 81 years. Please note.
The rights of healthy Human Beings to not wish to accept injections of untested vaccines remains unaffected. The buck stops with each indivudual. People's Human Rights remain intact as do their right to Freedom of Speech. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to stand on their doorstep every Thursday Night and shout "I don't believe believe in Free Speech or Human Rights."
I believe that everyone who wants to be vaccinated should be free to do so. Someone who decides not to be injected is not a 'jab sceptic' - they are simply exercising their Freedom of Choice and are quite capable of making an informed choice.
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nigelswift
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Re: THE DISEASE
May 28, 2021, 13:58
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"People's Human Rights remain intact".
But where are the Human Rights of those who may be infected by those who opt to have no jab? Shouldn't "freedom" be constrained according to its effect, not be claimed as an absolute right? Freedom to speed past a school is hardly valid.
By the same token, people who wish to claim their freedom to have no vaccine should stay at home (and taking it to the nth degree, refuse to use NHS resources if the virus unluckily drifts through their window.)
Individual freedom v Society is one for the philosophers but I don't think they advocated anything but compromise.
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Pursued By Trees
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Re: THE DISEASE
May 29, 2021, 10:00
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Listed among the potential side-effects of 'rights': may include or necessitate some level of 'responsibility'.
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Howburn Digger
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Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 01, 2021, 09:51
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People who want to be vaccinated are free to go out in the world along with everyone else. Their Human Rights remain unaffected. People with Agoraphobia and general Terror & Fear are welcome to stay at home. People require no vaccine to go outside despite Nigelswift's extremist beliefs.
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Howburn Digger
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Edited Jun 01, 2021, 10:19
Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 01, 2021, 10:19
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Human Rights are precisely that and accorded to everyone on the planet. Human Rights are Universal and inalienable. Not given on the say so of someone else. If people disagree with Human Rights they are welcome to stand on their doorsteps shouting their disbelief every Thursday Night. I support their right to do that.
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Howburn Digger
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Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 01, 2021, 14:48
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nigelswift wrote: "People's Human Rights remain intact".
But where are the Human Rights of those who may be infected by those who opt to have no jab? Shouldn't "freedom" be constrained according to its effect, not be claimed as an absolute right? Freedom to speed past a school is hardly valid.
No-one is suggesting speeding past a school. That appears to be your suggestion. I would suggest that neither yourself nor anyone else reading this should speed past a school.
nigelswift wrote: By the same token, people who wish to claim their freedom to have no vaccine should stay at home (and taking it to the nth degree, refuse to use NHS resources if the virus unluckily drifts through their window.)
I think people whose immune systems are so ruined by underlying diseases and life-threatening conditions should stay at home and remain inside behind closed windows as even a Bee or Wasp sting could kill them. Those people are the ones at risk and therefore should be taking all the measures possible to protect themselves. The 99.96% of us who are not at risk have no need for such measures and should continue to maintain healthy immune systems.
nigelswift wrote: Individual freedom v Society is one for the philosophers but I don't think they advocated anything but compromise. Precisely. The wisest compromise would be that the tiny proportion of society most at risk should remain at home, in care homes or in hospitals behind closed windows. Let them receive the support of the taxpayer. Put the resources into protecting those frail vulnerable weaker members of society rather than lock down 67 Million healthy people. Those whose health and robust immune systems will deal with Covid easily should neither be locked up nor down.
Do remember that the vaccines "are not a solution and do not provide immunity" and that staying indoors for years for multiple Lockdowns doesn't make a virus go away anywhere. I would love to see a Govt Minister suggest that everyone should be eating 5-a-day, getting plenty of sleep & exercise and taking a multi-vitamin. But not a single one has.
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PippaSutherland
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Edited Jun 01, 2021, 15:35
Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 01, 2021, 15:34
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The vaccine is not forced, it is not fully developed, there are side effects that are horrible....why should countries develop different vaccines, why not figure it out to the end and make one? You are injecting something you don't understand thinking it will protect you, you can't beat the covid-19 virus, even after a certain number of months of vaccination you can get sick..... so stop being clever
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nigelswift
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Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 01, 2021, 19:34
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"despite Nigelswift's extremist beliefs"
Does that apply to everyone else who is pro-vaccination?
Can a majority view be condemned as extremist?
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Vybik Jon
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Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 02, 2021, 01:19
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Awww!
Thanks.
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nigelswift
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Edited Jun 02, 2021, 08:19
Re: THE DISEASE
Jun 02, 2021, 06:20
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Proclaiming the inviolability of individual human rights is simplistic. One can do nothing without impacting others, and sometimes that means one's rights are not inviolable.
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