Of course your views are entirely valid Keith, and I respect that, as are mine and those of of all. As for GP, so are his, of course, and I respect that. I only take issue with what I see to be a pre-conceived agenda re. lot of of his contributions here. There was a certain thread a few months ago that was a deliberate hand grenade and guaranteed to offend and upset, and the predictable effect was achieved. That I don't like, regardless of where it comes from. It's the manner and the intention that is so often transparent re. any discussion.