handofdave
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McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 11:32
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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-palin2-2008sep02,0,3666723.story
Heh heh.
What's funny, in a dark way, is that the evangelicals take news like this and totally flip it on it's head, making it sound like this knocked-up 17 year old is a 'life first' heroine.
If it'd been Barack Obama's daughter, they'd have gone into attack mode, claiming it's more evidence of morally bankrupt liberal America.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 12:58
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Saw this woman (the mum) on the news the other day and she was brandishing a flippin rifle (at a shooting range albeit, but I doubt the fantasy ends there) like it was the right thing to do.
Agree with all you say, but Christ, sex before marriage?
Hahahahahaha!
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red paeony
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 14:48
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She's an avid hunter, and is a lifelong member of the NRA.
Not much to do up in Alaska apparently, other than shoot things and get knocked up.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 14:58
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red paeony wrote:
She's an avid hunter, and is a lifelong member of the NRA.
Not much to do up in Alaska apparently, other than shoot things and get knocked up.
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Suppose then that gun training will come in handy for the wedding day, should it be needed.
SHOTGUN! as Idol sez:-)
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stray
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 15:23
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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2/92043/10932/457/582294
A good list of Palin gaffes, background etc, etc.
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Merrick
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 21:45
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Not just alaska. The channel 4 News report on her said that a third of female Americans become pregnant by the age of 20. Oh the glory of abstinence-based sex education.
Other stuff mentioned included;
- Shoots moose for fun.
- Advocates creationism being taught alongside evolution.
- Long-term member of conservative, anti-abortion evangelical church.
- The most fervent advocate of Alaskan oil drilling anyone can find.
- Only trip abroad was for 36 hours.
And for those who think Obama's ethnicity might get him killed, you've gotta wonder what McCain's agedness could bring. President Palin.
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handofdave
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 02, 2008, 22:23
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It's been proven without a doubt that abstinence-only educational plans are a failure.. the rate of teen pregnancies actually INCREASED under it in the schools where it was tried.
And yet, the evangelicals are behind it more than ever.
When you're a religious nut, science, facts... all that stuff is meaningless. Only 'faith' must be trusted. Do these idiots know there was something called the 'enlightenment'?
Funny how they (rightly) criticize Islamic hardliners for trying to drag Islam back into the dark ages, but can't see that they're also hopelessly mired in some imagined golden age of the past that never actually existed.
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Merrick
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 03, 2008, 12:50
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handofdave wrote: It's been proven without a doubt that abstinence-only educational plans are a failure.. the rate of teen pregnancies actually INCREASED under it in the schools where it was tried.
Yep; kids are going to have sex whatever the grown-ups make them promise. If they've had no contraceptive education (or worse, been made to actively avoid contraception) then they're going to get pregnant.
George Monbiot did an article on it. The USA has more than ten times the number of teenage pregnancies than the Netherlands!
Less contraceptive education doesn't just mean more babies, it means a greater number of abortions too. The US has double the rate of Europe. The strongly Catholic societies of Central and South America higher still.
handofdave wrote: And yet, the evangelicals are behind it more than ever.
When you're a religious nut, science, facts... all that stuff is meaningless. Only 'faith' must be trusted. Do these idiots know there was something called the 'enlightenment'?
whilst trawling for the Monbiot links, I found a piece on his site that asserts that Christian values are stronger in secular societies.
"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion"
He questions whether this is religion, or welfare. Or indeed, if those two are related anyway; secularism tends to encourage welfare societies, religion. Monbiot talks of "Puritan notions that money is a sign that you’ve been chosen by God and poverty is a mark of moral weakness".
Or alternatively, as Arianna Huffington put it, "big government cheats people out of the spiritual rewards of giving to the needy".
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stray
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Re: McCain isn't just getting a VP...
Sep 03, 2008, 15:24
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Merrick wrote:
He questions whether this is religion, or welfare. Or indeed, if those two are related anyway; secularism tends to encourage welfare societies, religion. Monbiot talks of "Puritan notions that money is a sign that you’ve been chosen by God and poverty is a mark of moral weakness".
To call it purely a Puritan notion is a bit iffy really. It's actually a common interpretation of Matthew 25:14-30 'Parable of the Talents'. Not the only interpretation mind you, but the most prevalent among US evangelicals.
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stray
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More religious crap about Palin and her specific church.
Sep 03, 2008, 17:09
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
complete with video.
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