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Re: Paranoid

Dec 10, 2001, 16:51

it's not just a case of "pollution"... and i'm sorry to say that the pollution problem is going to get a lot worse before too long (people will burn *anything* to stay warm after the fossil fuels are all used up)... rather the issue is that once you have accepted that fossil fuels are a finite resource; then nothing is truly sustainable unless you can manufacture and maintain it without fossil fuels.

we can make lots of space-age steel windmills now (using coal to smelt the iron, oil and gas in abundance and petrol to get the thing into position), but when the fossil fuels are no longer available, do we decide just never to build any more... cos they'll never break or need replacing?

relatively low-tech windmills built at a local level (using an absolute minimum of fossil fuels) could probably be maintained without more than the input of human-power.

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Mr Grufty Jim Sir !! – FourWinds, Dec 05, 2001, 10:11
- Re: Mr Grufty Jim Sir !! – grufty jim, Dec 05, 2001, 21:49
  - Re: Mr Grufty Jim Sir !! – FourWinds, Dec 05, 2001, 21:54
  - Paranoid – Annexus Quam, Dec 05, 2001, 22:56
    - Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 06, 2001, 03:13
      - Re: Paranoid – FourWinds, Dec 06, 2001, 09:43
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 06, 2001, 12:06
      - Re: Paranoid – Annexus Quam, Dec 06, 2001, 12:06
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 06, 2001, 12:29
        Re: Paranoid – Annexus Quam, Dec 08, 2001, 14:52
        just my thoughts, you understand – grufty jim, Dec 08, 2001, 17:30
        Re: Paranoid – FourWinds, Dec 10, 2001, 15:50
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 15:56
        Re: Paranoid – FourWinds, Dec 10, 2001, 16:20
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 16:51
        Re: Paranoid – FourWinds, Dec 10, 2001, 16:54
        windmills – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 17:00
        wind map – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 17:03
        Hydrogen cells? – morfe, Dec 10, 2001, 17:38
        Re: Hydrogen cells? – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 18:10
        Re: Hydrogen cells? – morfe, Dec 10, 2001, 21:37
        Re: Hydrogen cells? – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 22:58
        Z Accelerator – grufty jim, Dec 13, 2001, 13:20
        Re: Z Accelerator – morfe, Dec 13, 2001, 14:31
        PS... – morfe, Dec 13, 2001, 14:33
        response part 1 (fusion) – grufty jim, Dec 13, 2001, 15:41
        response part 2 (other ting) – grufty jim, Dec 13, 2001, 16:14
        Re: response part 2 (other ting) – FourWinds, Dec 13, 2001, 16:36
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 16:34
        Re: Paranoid – FourWinds, Dec 10, 2001, 16:52
        Re: Paranoid – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 16:58
        report? – grufty jim, Dec 14, 2001, 18:53
        Re: Paranoid – Annexus Quam, Dec 10, 2001, 22:27
        complete agreement – grufty jim, Dec 10, 2001, 23:12
        Re: complete agreement – Annexus Quam, Dec 11, 2001, 00:11
        Re: complete agreement – grufty jim, Dec 11, 2001, 04:22
        4096 - I'm doomed! – Annexus Quam, Dec 11, 2001, 11:31
        Re: 4096 - I'm doomed! – grufty jim, Dec 11, 2001, 11:41
    - Re: Paranoid – ron, Jan 12, 2016, 19:15


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