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Billy Milk 2045 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 11:17
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http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_Link
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 15:29
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Isn't 'progress' great? And scientists have developed tastier shrimp! (Wow! The world is just randy isn't it?)
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 15:31
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Oh, it's 'lies', isn't it? 'Paranoia'...
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 15:55
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Thing is, I suspect Bush isn't actually the real threat. Someone that thick has basically been put there by other people, who are pulling the strings, and advising him to 'delegate' responsibility to themselves, ie: giving them carte blanche to do what the hell they want to. The scary ones are those with a modicum of intelligencce who have sold their souls and are smiling psychos hell-bent on lining their own pockets, whatever the consequences for others or the future. It's these 'advisors' who are in control. And having a thick puppet makes them feel safer and more superior. They're hiding behind him.
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 15:59
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I just hate him.
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 16:14
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The thing I really can't understand is something touched on in Cope's drudion, namely how anyone with any religious conviction, particularly someone who purports to be pious can follow the teachings of any of the mainstream religions and believe that terrorising, raping (there are emerging reports this hapened in the school) and murdering children can in any way be squared with the teachings of their holy books. Do they honestly believe Mohammed whould have approved and that Allah is smiling down on their actions? I just don't understand it. And that cleric in Britain that someone quoted as saying the terrorists did not kill any children, as this is forbidden is blinkered beyond belief. How does he know what happened? He wasn't there. There are reliable reports that the terrorists were shooting at kids that escaped. Why did they string landmines over the heads of the children if they had no intention of harming them? I just fail to comprehend how a muslim cleric would not condemn outright these actions.
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Merrick 2148 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 17:40
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"Do they honestly believe Mohammed whould have approved and that Allah is smiling down on their actions? " - I'd guess it's about as much as the Christians in the White House thought God smiled down on them bombing schools in Basra or that mental hospital in Grenada. If we'd had cameras and recording equipment there, we'd remember that with just as much horror. Unfortunately, the governments are better at PR and media manipulation than the non-governmental terrorists, so we think of 9/11 and the events in Russia as far worse, whereas they're similar to what has been done in our name thousands of times over by the terrorists and war criminals we elect as leaders.. Puts me in mind of a couple of things that bear repeated attention; The Onion's main story after 9/11, 'God Angrily Clarifies "Don't Kill" Rule', online here (The Onion now charge for their archive): http://www.mikesfreegifs.com/main4/God.htm ========== 'Who Would Jesus Bomb?' by David Rovics I've seen you in the markets I've seen you in the streets And at your political convention Talking of your crusade Talking of your nation And other things too terrible to mention And you proclaim your Christianity You proclaim your love of God You talk of apple pie and mom Well I've just got one question And I want an answer Tell me, who would Jesus bomb? Maybe Jesus would bomb the Syrians 'Cause they're not Jews like him Maybe Jesus would bomb the Afghans On some kind of vengeful whim Maybe Jesus would drive an M1 tank And he would shoot Saddam Tell me, who would Jesus bomb? I've seen you on the TV And on the battleships I've seen you in the house upon the hill And I've heard you talking About making the world safer And about all the men you have to kill And you speak so glibly About your civilization And how you have the moral higher ground While halfway around the world Your explosives smash the buildings Ah, if you could only hear the sound But maybe Jesus would sell land mines And turn on his electric chair Maybe Jesus would show no compassion For his enemies in the lands way over there Maybe Jesus would have flown the planes That killed the kids in Viet Nam Tell me, who would Jesus bomb Yes I hear you shout with confidence As you praise the lord And you talk about this God you know so well And you talk of Armageddon And your final victory When all the evil forces go to hell Well you'd best hope you've chosen wisely On the right side of the lord And when you die your conscience it is clear You'd best hope that your atom bombs Are better than the sword At the time when your reckoning is here 'Cause I don't think Jesus would send gunships into Bethlehem Or jets to raze the towns of Timorese I don't think Jesus would lend money to dictators Or drive those SUV's And I don't think Jesus would ever have dropped A single ounce of napalm So tell me, who would Jesus bomb? ========== MP3 available at http://fileserv5.soundclick.com/fastgG/HiD/davidrovics+whowouldjesusbomb.mp3
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Sep 07, 2004, 17:49
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I agree completely re. the transparent hypocrisy of preaching love and tolerance and then pulling off a coup like this. However, surely Vladimir Putin bears some of the moral responsibility as well? His relentlessly hardline, intolerant approach to the issue of Chechen independence - similar to the attitude of successive British governments towards the IRA throughout the post-War era - has has created a climate where an incident of this sort was almost inevitable, and someone in his position should bloody well have seen it coming a mile off if you ask me. If he had any moral fibre at all, he'd stand down over this. However, he quite clearly doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he's in in the first place. Watching his half-assed, insincere apology to the Russian people made me feel almost as angry as footage of the seige itself, to be honest.
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Locodogz 254 posts |
Sep 08, 2004, 08:27
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This thread makes for an interesting read with educated and articulate views. However one thing just struck me as I went through it and thats how quickly atrocity turns into a blame game (and PV I'm not disputing for a minute your opinion that some moral blame lies with Putin etc) and suddenly half the world is embroiled in a school in Russia. That great piece from the Onion said it all really. Its wrong, period. They're all wrong. Shades and nuances of wrongness can be debated till the cows come home but are largely academic (IMHO). That video footage shown last night is the most dispairing thing I'll ever see. All wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Sep 08, 2004, 08:43
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Fair enough, no one's innocent in a game like this and approtioning blame is bugger all use to the poor sods on the sharp end. The whole thing is just a mess.
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