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necropolist 1689 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 15:23
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free trade is something of a myth anyway tho isnt it? all the tariffs, the cartels, the subsidies to the favoured ones. the big companies were incredibly powerful in nazi germany and raked the profits in, of course it was war time so global terade was conducted in a rather different way, but it still went on. in 'classic' fascism there would be state control of imports and exports, but that is not an essential as long as the heads of the relevant industries were brought into government - which is what hitler did in his day.
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morfe 2992 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 16:01
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http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/05/265139.shtml I had a run-in recently with people who displayed more than an essence of fascistic brutality and monocular hatred. The extreme political polarising, the braying, spittling, Nationalist ire, the NewSpeak, and the constant exhortations of (their own) moral/physical/intellectual prowess, threats of violence, etc, etc. Of course, being Americans, it was all in the name of freedom, and not to appreciate their brand of Right-ness was to hamper progress and freedom, the very notion of free speech was countered with open insults, threats of violence and braying nonsense. I agree with whoever it was here said that fascism is the greatest ally to big business. In America, to be American is to extoll capitalism, to be a 'liberal' is to be anything 'other' within the whole spectrum. For the fascist, there is only black or white. Or blue and red. If you're not blue, you're a red under the bed. And we all know how evil the Reds are. Go Bush, endless war promised for all. This type of polarising is a complete lie. The very easiest way to control people is to run a two-party political system. People rebel against a one party system, that's fascism ;-) So there HAS to be a 'common' enemy, to keep everyone voting. Of course, 'democrats' are only part of the ruse, and New Labour is of course New Danger. It's a foregone conclusion that we are heading for complete control by corporatism. Anything outside of this will be manouvering to keep those who believe in 'freedom' from causing too much uproar. The 'rational' and 'civilised' will realise that it's all for the world's 'own good'. Haven't we heard that before? From Mussolini: "Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- ...War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. ..." "Objectivism" is the new word. Such clarity, the foregone conclusion of global capitalism gaining ground among the US intellectuals in a biblical adherence to Rand et al. And we are all asked to argue this from an 'objective' point of view, that is, support America in her fight for hers and our freedoms. Of course 'objectivism' is unhampered by foreign policy, it can write it's own rules. It is, after all 'objective'. America has hoisted up her skirts and shown her gunbelt and wallet, are you with her or against her? (clue: it's a 'yes' or 'no' answer) (further clue: if you say, 'er..hold on??' you're probably an unwashed hippie, Saddam-lover) (last clue: if you say 'no', you are the living breathing scum of the earth and deserve to rot in Guatemano bay with all your 'relatives')
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morfe 2992 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 16:28
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http://portland.indymedia.org/en/action/ftaa-miami/ Protestors at the proposed FTAA summit are to be routed, banned from waving placards, banned from wearing gas masks,banned from wearing protective clothing,bandannas etc, banned from taking photographs of police brutality etc etc.
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Hob 4033 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 16:56
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Feck! All this pontificating about USA and nazis shows that there is still concern about how far down the road to fascism the US rulers have gone. In the post WTC furore, they seemed to be going pedal to the metal. In recent months, I detect through my TV filtered, low-awareness goggles that there is a slight shift back to sanity in that people are more willing to speak out. Is this so. or have I been duped again by somefucker? From the above link from morfe, I'm thinking yes. But with still a hope that the differentiation of public opinion manipulation across the states might yet stop the crypto-fascists. Here's to hope.
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 18:48
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I think it's worse merely being ignored, ridiculed or seen as insignificant than to be tortured or killed. I'd rather be seen as a threat. And I'm not scared of death -- I know I'll go to a better place than this world anyways, and even if the end's just darkness, it'll be peaceful...
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 19:01
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I'll have to look at that Portland site more often. Definitely informative and truthful if I might say so.
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morfe 2992 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 20:15
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I can't imagine a better place than sitting on a moor, maybe next to an ancient oak wood or stone circle, maybe Wistman's Wood, listening to curlew, buzzard's, stonechats, the breeze, and watching a thunderstorm gathering over towards the sea. Peolpe can ignore me all they want there, in fact, the more ignored I am, the better i enjoy it! ;-)
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 21:15
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That's not what I meant. I meant when something that I think is unjust that the government is responsible for that I have to address, or to prove that I'm not some kind of serf, or some typical dullard with a superfluous office job or something. I agree that like Thoreau said, the best way to live is away from government. Many of my fellow Pagans now have been saying they no longer read the news or participate in debates. However, I am also an artist, see, and the thing on fascism that was on the Portland site you posted mentioned intellectuals and artists were victims of fascism. If I'm gonna express myself, I'm gonna fight for my right to do so.
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morfe 2992 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 21:23
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I agree Lawrence, express yourself, we all have not only the reasons, but the responsibility to do so. However much both the dullards, cynics and the fascists get to me sometimes, I still can't agree with choosing death rather than just taking some time out amongst the places, things and people I love most of all. loadsa love, morfester
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Oct 14, 2003, 22:55
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I don't think it's so much I want to die. I'm ready to sacrefice myself to fight for what I think is right, that's what I'm saying, and you have to be brave enough to realise you might, in fact, die. If there was a rebel group that existed in my country, I'd join it. But the way this current order is set up, it's impossible. I'm all for life -- I don't mean anti-abortion, or the way christians like that see life... I don't care about abortion, and besides alot of people should have been aborted anyways (like George W.) I think the way the heard live, with their banal and powerless lives, is death in itself. I think life should be more than just holding a humiliating job and doing what the forces that be tell you to do. That's what I meant when I hated being insignificant. I don't want to be insignificant.
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