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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 17:58
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I've only got the loosest grasp of the situation but it seems Nic Turner's insistence on touring America under the Hawkwind imprint, and so scuppering Dave Brock's own tour, has made Dave Brock ill??? Sounds like adults acting like toddlers to me. Here's Turner's take on the situation. The internet has warped my brain. I bet he wrote this all perfectly calm but it reads like he's screaming it at the top of his lungs. "MY DEAR FRIENDS, I MUST SAY I DO SYMPATHISE WITH YOUR CONFUSION AND CONCERN ABOUT THE LATEST ROUND IN THE HAWKWIND SAGA. LET ME SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE MATTER. I WAS A FOUNDER MEMBER OF THE BAND ‘’GROUP X’,’ HAWKWIND ZOO’ AND ‘HAWKWIND’.[IN FACT THE BAND’S NAME ‘HAWKWIND’ WAS COINED AS A NAME FOR ME, BY THE LATE JOHN HARRISON, THE BAND’S BASS-PLAYER, NO LESS], TO DESCRIBE CERTAIN UNSAVOURY HABITS OF MINE, OF BREAKING WIND AND SPITTING, A HABIT I HAVE NOW GROWN OUT OF!!??1. THE BAND ULTIMATELY WAS SIGNED BOTH JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY, TO UNITED ARTISTS RECORDS, AS ‘HAWKWIND’, THE MEMBERS COMPRISING MICK SLATTERY, TERRY OLLIS, JOHN HARRISON, DIKMIK DAVIS, DAVE BROCK AND MYSELF. AFTER I HAD LEFT THE BAND, ME BEING THE LAST OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS TO BE MANIPULATED OUT OF THE BAND BY DAVE, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME BY DOUG SMITH, THAT ALL THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF THE BAND MIGHT FORM THEIR OWN BANDS E.G. NIK TURNER’S HAWKWIND, TERRY OLLIS’S HAWKWIND, DIKMIK DAVIS’S HAWKWIND, MICK SLATTERY’S HAWKWIND, JOHN HARRISON’S HAWKWIND AND DAVE BROCK’S HAWKWIND. NO-ONE DID SO AT THE TIME, BUT IN 1994, WHILST TOURING USA I CALLED MY BAND NIK TURNER’S HAWKWIND, AND FOUND MYSELF THREATENED WITH INJUNCTION, BY THE BAND’S AGENT, AND THE THEN AGAIN MANAGER DOUG SMITH. AT THE TIME I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE NAME HAD BEEN TRADE-MARKED IN BRITAIN, AND IN FACT HAD NOT BEEN TRADE-MARKED IN USA, SO THESE THREATS WERE COMPLETELY SPURIOUS IN THE USA. WHEN DAVE DECIDED TO TRADE-MARK THE NAME, ‘HAWKWIND’, HE WAS ADVISED BY DOUG SMITH, HIS MANAGER, TO GET THE PERMISSION OF ALL THE MUSICIANS ON THE ORIGINAL UNITED ARTISTS AGREEMENT, WHO HAD JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT AS ‘HAWKWIND’. THIS HE DID NOT DO, AND THE TRADE MARK WAS REGISTERED IN DAVE’S NAME, WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF, OR REFERENCE TO, THE OTHER PARTIES. THAT TRADE-MARK THEN STOOD, AND DAVE INJUNCTED ME FOR CALLING MY BAND EX-HAWKWIND, [ALL MEMBERS BEING EX-MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND], CLAIMING I WAS TRYING TO PASS MY BAND OFF AS HAWKWIND, WHICH OF COURSE, I WAS NOT. UNFORTUNATELY I COULD NOT AFFORD TO FIGHT THE CASE, WAS ILLY-ADVISED BY MY SOLICITOR, DESERTED BY MY MANAGER , AND ENDED UP SETTLING THE MATTER OUT OF COURT, TO MY COST. IN THE CURRENT SITUATION, IN THE U.S.,THE NAME HAWKWIND WAS TRADE-MARKED IN MY NAME, IN ORDER THAT I MIGHT ATTEMPT TO REDRESS THE SITUATION AND PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT, BY TRANSFERRING THE TRADE-MARK TO THE NAMES OF THE ORIGINAL SIGNATORIES OF THE ORIGINAL UNITED ARTISTS CONTRACT, TERRY OLLIS, MICK SLATTERY, DIKMIK DAVIS, JOHN HARRISON, [DECEASED], AND RATHER THAN DAVE BROCK, DAVE BROCK’S SON, PASCO BROCK. HAWKWIND AT THE OUTSET WAS ALWAYS A ‘PEOPLES’ BAND, WITH A COMMUNAL SPIRIT WITH ALTERNATIVE IDEA, AND IDEALS, IN AN ALTERNATIVE CUTURE .THOSE WHO WISH TO MAY JUDGE ME AS THEY SEE FIT, BUT THIS WAS DONE OUT OF A SPIRIT OF FAIRNESS, AND INCLUSIVENESS, AND I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT IT A WAY FORWARD. BEST WISHES AND LOVE TO YOU ALL, SEE YOU AT A FESTIVAL VERY SOON, NIK TURNER, XXXXXXX"
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Edited Oct 07, 2013, 18:00
Oct 07, 2013, 18:00
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double-post lalala ignore
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Davey_B 408 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 18:46
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Surely anyone going to see Hawkwind has a vague idea of what's going on and checks who the band actually is before buying tickets? I hope Dave Brock feels better by the time his Hawkwind play Hove in a few weeks time. For what it's worth when I saw Hawklords with Nik a few years ago they were more Hawkwind than Hawkwind.
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dissolving 67 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 18:59
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http://www.terrascope.co.uk/Features/Nik_Turner.htm dunno if you ever read this but there's a fair bit about it from Nik's point of view in it.
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Kid Calamity 9044 posts |
Edited Oct 08, 2013, 09:29
Oct 07, 2013, 19:15
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Yeah, I saw this one on Faceache and had my say, there. It's A) a very cheap form of marketing to raise the profile and advertise a US tour (or two). It's B) a finally showdown of two cantankerous old duffers - or C) A fuckin' soap opera. Sinead O'Connor and Miley Cirus take note. EDITED for a typo, only.
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 19:33
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Kid Calamity wrote: Sinead O'Connor and Miley Cirus take note. An open letter from Nik Turner to Dave Brock: "Dearest Dave, I know we've been at loggerheads for many a year now, but as your elder by three quarters of a year, I feel I should use my greater stock of experience to be your moral guide in troubled times. I watched the newest Hawklords video with avid interest, but your state of undress throughout saddened me. Don't you realise, Dave, that that team of parasitical vultures- the agents, the video directors, the managers and the record execs- are using your body to sell records for them. Your body is your temple. To violate it with the perverted erotica of the latest Hawklords video...it saddens me. Please, please, Dave: do not use your body to sell records anymore. Just keep the clothes on. Your hot curves are for you and your wife alone. Not for perverted onanists to oogle at. A concerned former friend, Nik Turner"
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Davey_B 408 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 19:55
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Interesting interview that one thanks for posting the link.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 21:16
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Kid Calamity wrote: Yeah, I saw this one Faceache and had my say, there. It's A) a very cheap form of marketing to raise the profile and advertise a US tour (or two). It's B) a finally showdown of two cantankerous old duffers - or C) A fuckin' soap opera. I think it's a bit of all three, really. You'll know as well as I do that being in any band - even a non-professional one - can be like being in a soap opera at times. If Turner is telling the truth about trying to register the name on behalf of all the original members rather than just himself, though, I can see his point.
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Charlie2300 412 posts |
Oct 07, 2013, 21:28
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I don't know the rights and wrongs of this, but after all these years, someone needs to bang their heads together once and for all. It's not like it's of any major importance anymore - Hawkwind's day was done decades ago.
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konaman 533 posts |
Oct 08, 2013, 00:30
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you shouldn't do that you shouldn't do that you shouldn't do that you shouldn't do that you shouldn't do that I was actually listening to this just before I came across this thread
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