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thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 17:56
Just one point, regarding the trade figure of 90% you quote.

The latest (July 2018) report from the Office of National Statistics:

"The UK imported 55% of its goods from EU countries, but exported 51% of its goods to countries outside EU in the 12-months to May 2018

When looking at UK goods imports, 55% came from EU countries, while 51% of UK goods exports were to countries outside of the EU in the 12 months to May 2018. The EU and non-EU split for imports of goods remained the same as the previous 12 months to May 2017, although the amount the UK exports to countries outside of the EU fell slightly, from 52% in the 12 months to May 2017 to 51% in the 12 months to May 2018."

So the percentages are nearer 50/50.

Here's the government's latest figures by value:

"EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (45% of all UK exports). "

When you look at the regions, the Northeast is the biggest exporter to the EU. 59% of the NE's exports go to the EU ( the NE also gets 60% of its imported goods from the EU. The Southwest is lower at 46% export and 44% import.

Also, the amount we export to both EU and non-EU countries is falling, but the amount we export to non-EU countries is falling more. According to the ONS:

"The largest contributor to the £2.0 billion decline in exports to non-EU countries was a £1.6 billion decline in exports of machinery and transport equipment, most of which is due to falling exports of cars."
tjj
tjj
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Edited Jul 23, 2018, 20:31
Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 18:08
Thanks for taking the time to answer Nigel. Have just listened to John Gray's broadcast again and, although aware of the rise in right wing, nationalistic politics in eastern and other European countries I didn't realise it was growing so fast.
My anxiety levels remain high.

(edited)
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 18:19
PS 1.

No deal doesn't help with things not covered by WTO. WTO covers goods and services.

There's no WTO for cross-border healthcare, citizens’ rights, travel, flights, science collaboration, medicines, nuclear, defence and security amongst other things.

PS 2:

No deal doesn't fix the pesky issue of the Northern Ireland border. I know leavers don't care that NI voted by a much larger majority to remain, but they should note that WTO rules require closed borders between WTO members but the Good Friday Agreement will not allow there to be a hard border. The EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check of goods coming into Ireland from the UK. One solution would of course be for a united Ireland inside the EU.
nigelswift
8065 posts

All we need now is another million like him
Jul 24, 2018, 10:21
"A very sad day for me as I watched my father, a proud man, saying sorry to his grandchildren after finally realising what his vote for Brexit will do to them."
Locodogz
Locodogz
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 24, 2018, 10:46
Sorry Sanctuary but I've got to ask where you read that "90% of our trading is outside of the EU anyway"? It just doesn't sound credible given that the ONS say that 48% of our exports go to the EU (source below).

I know thats 'only' exports but I can't see what other trade we're doing to swing to a 90% figure?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21
Locodogz
Locodogz
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 24, 2018, 10:47
Apologies - seeming duplicate of an earlier response!!
nigelswift
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 24, 2018, 16:40
Someone doesn't like me posting stuff repeatedly on here. Can't think why.

"Brexit progress report:

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history"
- Liam Fox, 20/7/17

"We will make sure there's adequate food supplies"
- Dominic Raab, 24/7/18,
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 24, 2018, 19:05
nigelswift wrote:
Someone doesn't like me posting stuff repeatedly on here. Can't think why.

"Brexit progress report:

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history"
- Liam Fox, 20/7/17

"We will make sure there's adequate food supplies"
- Dominic Raab, 24/7/18,


I'm genuinely concerned about you Nigel. I have said before that you become obsessed with all the campaigns you get involved with, but you are showing all the signs of something much more serious than that the longer you go on. This 'you are always right' and those who don't agree with you are always wrong, no matter what the debate, is very worrying. Surely the people around you, including those here must have noticed, but maybe feel they would be letting you down if they remarked on it. Your post this morning where you dragged your grandchildren in seemed to me to be a desperate attempt at showing the world that they must listen to you at all costs!
This isn't normal behaviour and I have no pleasure telling you this but someone has to.

No doubt I will get a backlash now being par for the course, but as I'm a level-headed person that sees all sides of discussions and respects the opinion of others, I will not be replying to your posts further or joining in with this thread again, not wanting to be held responsible for the personal issues you obviously have.

With regards
Roy
nigelswift
8065 posts

Edited Jul 25, 2018, 07:49
Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 24, 2018, 19:41
Sanctuary wrote:
I will not be replying to your posts further or joining in with this thread again,



Yet another nasty ad hominem and yet another flounce. Oh how we both wish you'd voted remain!
tjj
tjj
3588 posts

Edited Jul 25, 2018, 09:15
Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 25, 2018, 08:56
nigelswift wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
I will not be replying to your posts further or joining in with this thread again,


Yet another nasty ad hominem and yet another flounce. Oh how we both wish you'd voted remain!


A brilliant response to Sanctuary's whole post Nigel. I must admit to my education falling short on the Latin front so looked up ad hominem ....

Ad hominem: Latin for "to the man" or "to the person", short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. Listed as second from bottom (next to name calling) in the hierarchy of argument strategies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

My phrase for the day :) x
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