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Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 22, 2018, 19:48
nigelswift wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:

*whataboutery klaxon*
It's still going off.


Of course. When a highly authoritative thinker with nothing to gain says Cornwall will be buggered by the Brexit you've called for all you have is the whataboutery klaxon (Or abuse. Or silence. Or a seventh flounce! Let's see.)


The pre-disposed troll is back.....oops sorry I forget he never left as he is incapable of not having his opinion heard. Oops, sorry again - I meant forced onto us. TWENTY THREE times in this thread alone. And that's only here! Sad.
nigelswift
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 22, 2018, 20:17
Now we know.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 22, 2018, 20:52
Thrown in a bit of ad hominem for variety.
nigelswift
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Edited Jul 22, 2018, 21:04
Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Jul 22, 2018, 21:00
I forgive him. If it had suddenly dawned on me I'd definitely voted to bugger my county and that someone had already told me so TWENTY THREE times I might be a bit grumpy!

;)
tjj
tjj
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Edited Jul 23, 2018, 08:46
Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 08:44
Hi Nigel, I listened to something on Radio 4 last night (counting sheep sort of thing). This surprised me. As you are a committed Remainer, I would be interested to hear your view. Personally although have great anxiety about it, I don't have entrenched views on Brexit - am willing to listen to all points of view.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9zvtf
nigelswift
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Edited Jul 23, 2018, 10:03
Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 09:11
Hi June,
Well I've never been guilty of idealising Europe. I know it has massive faults. But the right wing drift is happening here too and IMO Oswald Moseley's audience is still here and if ever someone like him reappears he'll be followed.

On the other hand, politics is a pendulum, it will swing back, both here and in Europe (and America) eventually.

My objection to Brexit isn,t about that though. It's the fact it's the defeat of the young - both their opinions and their aspirations. That's what makes me so bitter - our generation has had it all but our children will have far less - what a legacy to leave them.

And actually, extreme right wing movements arise from deprivation so if Brexit makes great swathes of our country poorer Moseley WILL be back. The author warns Remainers that Europe is drifting to the extreme right but what's the betting that a couple of years post-Brexit, with people blaming conditions on both May and Corbyn (with some justification) Britain will be more right wing than almost all of Europe?

(Sorry to be so damn opinionated, as S would say. But I feel the country has been robbed).
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 13:03
nigelswift wrote:
Hi June,
Well I've never been guilty of idealising Europe. I know it has massive faults. But the right wing drift is happening here too and IMO Oswald Moseley's audience is still here and if ever someone like him reappears he'll be followed.

On the other hand, politics is a pendulum, it will swing back, both here and in Europe (and America) eventually.

My objection to Brexit isn,t about that though. It's the fact it's the defeat of the young - both their opinions and their aspirations. That's what makes me so bitter - our generation has had it all but our children will have far less - what a legacy to leave them.

And actually, extreme right wing movements arise from deprivation so if Brexit makes great swathes of our country poorer Moseley WILL be back. The author warns Remainers that Europe is drifting to the extreme right but what's the betting that a couple of years post-Brexit, with people blaming conditions on both May and Corbyn (with some justification) Britain will be more right wing than almost all of Europe?

(Sorry to be so damn opinionated, as S would say. But I feel the country has been robbed).


Nigel, you are as opinionated as much as I am, but we are on the opposite sides of the fence and I just tend to keep myself to myself and don't try to push my beliefs as hard as you do as the simple fact is that neither of us really know what the outcome is actually going to be. I read (yes, selecting an article like you do to strengthen your case) that 90% of our trading is outside of the EU anyway so we'll soon make up that ground and have all the pieces in place already. Did you not think that from Day 1 big business would have been out there setting up deals with the rest of the world from the moment we left? Of course they have, but of course it is not reported by the media, especially the BBC that are a disgrace. We, the leavers, have nothing much to whinge about other than what the dreamers make up, so just let things go along leaving just the Remainers to have all the say which is never good but pleasers the media no end! All the phoney 'polls' claiming this and that out of a handful of people is a joke. The only poll to believe is when all 60 odd million of us take part in it.
And I certainly don't get personal with members of the Government that I don't even know other than through the OTT media. As for Theresa May, what that woman has had to go through and still is, is quite remarkable. Your lot have put obstacles in front of her over and over and bad-mouthed her continually - but she's still there. I don't know anyone in Government or from any other party that could have handled all of that.

It is patently obvious by now that we are likely to leave without a deal which personally I will be delighted with. Business has worked on this possibility from Day 1 and ready to go. With the USA promising to trade with us along with the rest of the world we are home and dry.

That's all I have to say. Feel free to accuse me of flouncing out again but I don't have the need to keep posting one mail after another like you do. Please understand that.

Thank you
nigelswift
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 16:00
Sanctuary wrote:
It is patently obvious by now that we are likely to leave without a deal which personally I will be delighted with.



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Excellent discussion with German Foreign Minister @HeikoMaas about the unintended geopolitical consequences of No Deal. Only person rejoicing would be Putin...

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Rhiannon
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 17:36
you missed this bit
" in the end we would find a way not just to survive but to thrive economically. But my real concern is that it would change British public attitudes to Europe for a generation"

Surely he means a no deal brexit would change British public attitudes to the Tory party for a generation? Or maybe he's just got his fingers in his ears lalalala
nigelswift
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Re: A Point of View
Jul 23, 2018, 17:50
Is he preparing the ground for blaming the mess on Europe's intransigence, as predicted?

I doubt that will work long term, people would be much more likely to blame those who said the bus was the truth and the new trade agreements would be the easiest in history.
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