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nigelswift
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Re: Will of the people?
Aug 12, 2018, 07:35
Well, I might have been slightly tongue in cheek but a degree of statistical weighting of the referendum result would certainly add to what's "right". We all mouth "one man, one vote" yet because of that thoughtless mantra the old, who'll hardly be affected at all have determined the negative fate of the young who'll be affected a lot. It wouldn't take a lot of statistical scrutiny to come to the conclusion that 52-48 wasn't the will of the people if "people" are seen as "those actually affected by the result".

The reality is that, irreversible referendums should require a two thirds majority or more for the result to be actioned. Britain will never make such a stupid mistake again, but it's too effing late now.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Will of the people?
Aug 12, 2018, 07:48
We haven't left yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Will of the people?
Aug 12, 2018, 12:13
Indeed. Every day the pendulum seems to swing a bit further towards stay. But will they find a way to defeat it - a sudden new immigration lie for instance (like the previous one, 5.2 m Turkish muslims planning to come to Britain...)
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Will of the people?
Aug 12, 2018, 14:25
Be interesting to see what stance the Daily Heil takes when Dacre is gone (imminently). His replacement is not obsessively pro-Brexit.
jb lamptoast-morsley
jb lamptoast-morsley
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Edited Aug 12, 2018, 15:16
Re: Will of the people?
Aug 12, 2018, 15:06
For the record I voted remain, but in that same news story that you have drawn the statistics from you will note that those 45 and above would prefer to leave and would be more likely to turn up to vote accordingly in a 2nd referendum. Just throwing it out there.

Edit* Here's a quote from the BBC article from 3 days ago:

However, only half of 18 to 24-year-olds said that they would be certain to vote in a second EU referendum, according to recent polls by Survation. This compares with 84% of those aged 65 and over.

So if there were another ballot, it is far from certain that young people would necessarily take the opportunity to register their distinctive views.
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Aug 14, 2018, 08:31
The first sign of what we all knew. Tory environmental safeguards post Brexit will be far weaker. http://rtpi.org.uk/briefing-room/news-releases/2018/july/rtpi-proposal-for-post-brexit-environmental-watchdog-fundamentally-flawed/
goffik
goffik
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Aug 15, 2018, 11:46
STRONG AND STABLE.

STRONG. AND. STABLE...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/treasury-shifts-cash-into-euros-ahead-of-brexit-kjmjzbx7r

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nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Aug 16, 2018, 09:39
A little noted but nasty bit of Brexitism ....

The Return of Cultural Objects (Revocation) Regulations 2018

This instrument will revoke the domestic regulations which implement EU Directive 2014/60, relating to the return of cultural objects unlawfully removed from the territory of EU Member States, so avoiding a one-sided obligation upon the UK to return cultural objects, in the event of 'no deal' with the EU upon exit.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Aug 16, 2018, 15:10
Oh, but I thought that all EU legislation was going to be carried into UK law by some kind of magic?
nigelswift
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Aug 16, 2018, 15:35
Yes, but that's if there's a deal. If there's no deal the Tories will be free of all civilised European obligations. That nice Mr "I'm an environmentalist now" Gove will be singing a different tune.
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