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Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 07, 2018, 22:15
Hope you're on the mend!

I completely agree with you, I used to work in the NHS and saw personally why a brilliant example of modern healthcare and inclusivity it actually was. Sadly the public have been fed a load of lies about immigration and health tourism etc which not only are lies but also undermine the actual institution they pretend to support.
Rhiannon
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 10, 2018, 22:24
Have just noticed your post. Hope you are firmly on the mend. x

I continue to listen to the daily news (probably against the benefit of my health) and can safely say that no-one at all - politicians that is - knows what the hell is going to happen come Brexit. We're even being told xy and z are "what the public voted for". Hah how short do you think our memories are. Most people don't even have a reason they voted Brexit that would take longer than 10 seconds to explain. It's like watching one of those youtube videos where you can see something awful and but clearly predictable about to happen. As for accusations that those who wanted to keep the status quo hate their own country, that's just about as illogical as it gets. never mind. the world's gone mad.

Can confirm the bluebells are great, June :) and the wild garlic.
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 11, 2018, 08:50
Yes,"What the public voted for" is very irritating and the only defence against another vote which Leavers fear above all things.

I guess, if you have the time to wait, we'll be back in eventually, it's where we belong and its in the nature of the thing where it was the young that wanted to stay. I hope referendums are removed from the British constitution after this. Representative democracy is less susceptible to punch lines by the likes of Boris and Farage.

Bluebells yes. And curlews!
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
1093 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 17, 2018, 20:03
At least your country didn't just vote to hand over devolved powers back to westminster by siding with the tories and ukip!
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
1618 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 18, 2018, 20:54
"since the reintroduction of the space otter"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0gkFD5k1sY

Cx
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Edited May 18, 2018, 21:03
Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 18, 2018, 21:00
they're after your free prescriptions init bwoi?

No free care of the mentally deranged here -
no cathod rays or initial coal runs
no joy in wood
no sellout token Ricky Gervaise

just otters

and perhaps a disgruntled 12th Century Saxon shoving a bittern down an otters face.

"Am byth".

Cx
Jeez
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 28, 2018, 15:53
I used to believe that the EU would make a better job than the UK government of running this country. In the 1980s I was in such despair I secretly hoped that the EU's powers would gradually emasculate the Thatcher government, but now I don't think that would be a good idea. At the moment I'm reading "Adults In The Room" by Yanis Varoufakis. It's worth checking out to see how the EU suppressed the socialist uprising there. I'm fed up of this country being run by people who are pretty much unelected and then cling to power with all the might of the establishment. Brown, Cameron, Clegg, May - none of them had a legitimate mandate and neither does the EU.

BTW, I'm not saying that the people of Dudley are not racist. I also grew up in the Midlands in the 1970s and I witnessed people running through the town centre with NF banners. I myself was frequently tormented and beaten up by gangs of English black kids at junior school and I remember being followed through town by an unknown person chanting in a low voice "Me no like the white man" in the early 1980s. So I know it can be fucking scary. It's just that I know there is just as much racism in Europe - don't make it out to be a paragon of virtue just because it's not Britain.
We're no more racist than anyone else.
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 28, 2018, 16:58
We're no more racist than anyone else....

Agreed. All I am saying is that a chunk of pro Brexit votes were racist votes and still are. Which puts all the complex economic arguments into a rather sad context.
tjj
tjj
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Edited May 28, 2018, 22:25
Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 28, 2018, 17:26
nigelswift wrote:
We're no more racist than anyone else....

Agreed. All I am saying is that a chunk of pro Brexit votes were racist votes and still are. Which puts all the complex economic arguments into a rather sad context.


Hi Nigel, I always feel I have to qualify any comment I make on this topic by saying I voted to stay in the EU. I'm not denying there are racist people in this country maybe even living on the same street. However, there were/are a large number of people who had concerns about open borders because of the number of people taking advantage of them - far more cars on the road, public services/schools stretched to the limit etc, etc. That can only get worse when other (poorer) countries join the EU. I've recently returned from Ireland and was speaking to the owner of the accommodation about Brexit - he is someone who had worked for 20 years in London. His view was that the UK was clobbered by freedom of movement - as far, far more people want to go to London and other UK towns/cities than want to settle in Ireland (although Ireland feels very European these days).

I believe those observations are not in themselves racist (I speak as someone who has Romanians living next door and a Spanish family a couple of doors away).
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
May 28, 2018, 18:13
There is a difference with Greece in that the socialist economic plans were somewhat irresponsible and the country had to pay its debts, regardless of how it got into the situation in the first place a position had to be made to basically stop the country crashing completely and put in place some system of responsibility.

That was a single instance, however it's not suppressed any form of socialism otherwise, and regardless of the inane bleatings of people like corbyn, socialist ideals are very much alive and well in the EU.
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