joudicca
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 13:48
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here here, here here......
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joudicca
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 13:49
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jesus, you need to study more.
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joudicca
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 13:53
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i agree.
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joudicca
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 13:58
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there's places in leeds that the whole road is sealed off either end by police vans, the police then go down the street stopping people and asking why they are in that particular area, if you can't give a good enough answer then you're escorted out of the area after they've searched you first.....come on dave it's not like dixon of dock green any more.
look what happened in shropshire, the door almost kicked off in the middle of the night, police with dogs, police in riot gear, and why? because they wanted to know what we were in that area for. is that a free country? and i quote:::: we were asked what legitimate reason we had for being in that area, do you think people need a legitimate reason to travel round?
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dave clarkson
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 13:59
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who me?
i've got a masters degree in political theory - is that ok?
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joudicca
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 14:01
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where did you get it?
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dave clarkson
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 14:05
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"there's places in leeds that the whole road is sealed off either end by police vans, the police then go down the street stopping people and asking why they are in that particular area, if you can't give a good enough answer then you're escorted out of the area after they've searched you first.....come on dave it's not like dixon of dock green any more."
...can't comment on that one J - haven't enough info.
Sorry to hear sbout your experience too.
yeah and I know its not dixon of dock green anymore which I raised in another post.
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dave clarkson
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 14:06
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manchester university
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dave clarkson
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Edited Apr 08, 2009, 14:54
Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 14:48
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"the police are clearly used to protect the rich and powerful and suppress legitimate protest with violence and it's stupid and naive to say that's wrong?"
There's some truth in that and most cases the rich and powerful are the focal point.
Police officers are public officials who rely on the public trust. They are under moral obligation to act in accordance with ethical principles which have been previously justified and communally sanctioned. It is unacceptable for police or other public officials to conduct their duties in accordance with their own private ethical principles which appears to be the case with the cops shown on the video clip.
Changing the system either involves attempting to speak to your local MP (when they aren't filling in their expenses claims) about police strategies or forming your own pressure group and presenting your portfolio to downing street. Yeah i know it's probably like pissing in the wind.
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stray
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Re: police thugs
Apr 08, 2009, 15:10
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dave clarkson wrote: ". Do you bother doing any of these things?
Why yes, lets all bang our heads against that brick wall again, I mean, its worked so well in the past hasn't it ? I remember a judge saying 'I'm not going to prosecute police officers' sometime ago after an event now referred to as 'The battle of the beanfield'. It wasn't a new development, it was the only time where I actually remember the legal system being honest about the futility of trying to get any kind of redress though.
If you do really have a political masters then why are you posting such crass reactionary knee jerk wank ? Every right we have from universal suffrage onwards has not come from a letter writing campaign now has it ? Fucking hell, surely you at least have a grasp of revolutionary theory, that a few of the people you're arguing with here subscribe too yeah ? If you do, you also understand where such ideas and approaches come from too, which means that yes, they do bother, have bothered, and it didn't work, hence they're taking different approaches. Using solely reformist tactics to change a system ? It's not got much of a history of working now has it ?
A lot of us here have witnessed and felt police brutality. You obviously haven't. So, much like you telling us to stfu because hey, here in the first world life is peachy, it aint Turkey or Zimbabwe now is it ? Let me now invite you to also stfu as you obviously have no experience on the subject. You also seem to have a rather odd view of politcal history/struggle.
The current police tactic of containment of demonstrations, followed by the odd baton charge/swing (as opposed to the old method of snatch squads) is entirely about destroying public protest, it's about nothing else. It is about halting protests, it is about making protest pointless or too frightening for those who would wish to do it. Same goes for their filming of the protestors, and photographing of them, arresting them on the way to demonstrations, blocking roads, turning back buses. It is definitely not about maintaining public order.
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