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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:28
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keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't! Oh, ffs 'ere we go... Ok Keith, you are entirely correct about all and everything to do with music and/or anything remotely related to it. The Keith Axiom of all things - That which Keith likes is clearly good and all should, by law, also like it; that which Keith doesn't like is clearly bad and no one else has any business liking it -is the only way to appreciate music or indeed anything. There is no other way. Anything else is falsehood and inherently WRONG. So mote it be now and forever more, amen. I just find it funny that some people including yourself are allowed to slag things off that they don't like, but others aren't. Grow up, man. The irony in that is so cosmically, catastrophically vast that I'm sure that the end must be nigh. Have fun on Planet "I'm Right I Know I Am" dude. x
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:32
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Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't! Oh, ffs 'ere we go... Ok Keith, you are entirely correct about all and everything to do with music and/or anything remotely related to it. The Keith Axiom of all things - That which Keith likes is clearly good and all should, by law, also like it; that which Keith doesn't like is clearly bad and no one else has any business liking it -is the only way to appreciate music or indeed anything. There is no other way. Anything else is falsehood and inherently WRONG. So mote it be now and forever more, amen. I just find it funny that some people including yourself are allowed to slag things off that they don't like, but others aren't. Grow up, man. The irony in that is so cosmically, catastrophically vast that I'm sure that the end must be nigh. Have fun on Planet "I'm Right I Know I Am" dude. x Well in fairness I'm hardly likely to be the only person on that planet am I? I'm just off to avenge Kid Calamity for daring to dislike the Yeah Yeah Yeahs track I liked.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:58
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keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Yes, but seeing as the comparison continued in your "...punching above their weight..." comment, I was responding to that in the sense of differentiating between what is essentially out and out pastiche and more the nod and a wink stuff if you see what I mean. Not really. I just find it interesting that you would take up someone else's comment with me rather than the person who said it. It says a lot about this site. What? Really. Some one disagrees with you on something and it "...says a lot about this site"? Maybe get Holy to sort that out?
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:59
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keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't! Oh, ffs 'ere we go... Ok Keith, you are entirely correct about all and everything to do with music and/or anything remotely related to it. The Keith Axiom of all things - That which Keith likes is clearly good and all should, by law, also like it; that which Keith doesn't like is clearly bad and no one else has any business liking it -is the only way to appreciate music or indeed anything. There is no other way. Anything else is falsehood and inherently WRONG. So mote it be now and forever more, amen. I just find it funny that some people including yourself are allowed to slag things off that they don't like, but others aren't. Grow up, man. The irony in that is so cosmically, catastrophically vast that I'm sure that the end must be nigh. Have fun on Planet "I'm Right I Know I Am" dude. x Well in fairness I'm hardly likely to be the only person on that planet am I? I'm just off to avenge Kid Calamity for daring to dislike the Yeah Yeah Yeahs track I liked. Good luck with that. He's a slippery 'n
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 14:03
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Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Yes, but seeing as the comparison continued in your "...punching above their weight..." comment, I was responding to that in the sense of differentiating between what is essentially out and out pastiche and more the nod and a wink stuff if you see what I mean. Not really. I just find it interesting that you would take up someone else's comment with me rather than the person who said it. It says a lot about this site. What? Really. Some one disagrees with you on something and it "...says a lot about this site"? Maybe get Holy to sort that out? You're being deliberately provocative now. You know that's not what I mean.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited May 05, 2013, 14:17
May 05, 2013, 14:15
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keith a wrote: IanB wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Oasis had it and blew it (or snorted it as it were). Some genius tunes, and absolutely kicked the dust up, but ultimately crippled, as so many from this city before or since, by a slavish adherence to 'cool'. Dunno about that last bit. I think you're first reference was more the issue with where and how it went wrong. Liam Gallagher is clearly terrified of looking 'silly', within his limited parameters That statement could refer to just about any 'rock star' you could think of. Not really. I'd say there are loads of 'em that are completely aware of ridiculousness and are not afraid to embrace it. Dave Lee Roth, that band beginnning with "K" you like so much, Adam Ant (so much so he wrote a line about it), Slade, Ian Anderson, Bowie on occasion albeit through alter-egos, Devo, Andrew Eldritch, David Coverdale, Rob Halford, GWAR, Steel Panther, The Darkness, Mikael Akerfeldt, Robbie Williams, Cheap Trick, ALice Cooper, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, Iggy, John Lydon (when they trot out the Pistols),.... to name but a few. Hmmm. They all have their own image and do what they do. Liam has his and does his thing. I can't imagine Andrew Eldritch going on The Muppet Show anymore than Liam. But if you're picking The Darkness you may as well go the whole hog and pick The Barron Knights. I am sure Eldritch would have loved to have been on the Muppet show though probably as a Muppet rather than as himself. The Sisters collaborated on that 2000AD thing in the late 80s which was not at all reverential. Have you seen the Floodland era videos? Completely absurd and knowingly so. The sort of thing that could only have been come up with by someone who grew up with The Avengers and that 60s school of serious/silly high camp tv. The Darkness are total winkers. Maybe you need to be an appreciator of unwinking rock n roll of that ilk to get the joke AND fall in love with the tunes. It's a little like the folks who allegedly took Spinal Tap at face value as a documentary and missed the mock aspect entirely. Though I say that as someone who plays the Rutles album as often as I play Revolver. Whoah!! The Darkness are punching way above their weight getting mentioned in the same breath as Spinal Tap and The Rutles! Despite ridiculousness of the whole thing they always seemed to take themselves quite seriously. I was about to say it helps if you like the type of music that they're parodying, but then again if somethings good enough (like Spinal Tap or The Mighty Wind for that matter), it doesn't matter. But liking early punk definitely helps me appreciate the joke of Punk's Not Dad where some older blokes play spirit of '76 type thrashy stuff, but with subjects that include sheds and man-flu as opposed to anarchy and smashing things up! Spinal Tap and Rutles belong together no question but The Darkness do not. I was comparing the confusion among not-in-the-metal-know onlookers rather than linking the things themselves. The Darkness are not pastiche. There is definitely a guilty pleasure aspect for the parts of their audience that "don't usually like that kind of thing" and there are more than a few nods and winks towards those of us who like that kind of music but the artistic intent is I think deadly serious. Like Jellyfish in that respect and at least as serious as say The Specials. Or Elastica. Or The Strokes. There is a wink and a joke in there for sure but it is on the people who don't get it.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 14:18
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IanB wrote: keith a wrote: IanB wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Oasis had it and blew it (or snorted it as it were). Some genius tunes, and absolutely kicked the dust up, but ultimately crippled, as so many from this city before or since, by a slavish adherence to 'cool'. Dunno about that last bit. I think you're first reference was more the issue with where and how it went wrong. Liam Gallagher is clearly terrified of looking 'silly', within his limited parameters That statement could refer to just about any 'rock star' you could think of. Not really. I'd say there are loads of 'em that are completely aware of ridiculousness and are not afraid to embrace it. Dave Lee Roth, that band beginnning with "K" you like so much, Adam Ant (so much so he wrote a line about it), Slade, Ian Anderson, Bowie on occasion albeit through alter-egos, Devo, Andrew Eldritch, David Coverdale, Rob Halford, GWAR, Steel Panther, The Darkness, Mikael Akerfeldt, Robbie Williams, Cheap Trick, ALice Cooper, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, Iggy, John Lydon (when they trot out the Pistols),.... to name but a few. Hmmm. They all have their own image and do what they do. Liam has his and does his thing. I can't imagine Andrew Eldritch going on The Muppet Show anymore than Liam. But if you're picking The Darkness you may as well go the whole hog and pick The Barron Knights. I am sure Eldritch would have loved to have been on the Muppet show though probably as a Muppet rather than as himself. The Sisters collaborated on that 2000AD thing in the late 80s which was not at all reverential. Have you seen the Floodland era videos? Completely absurd and knowingly so. The sort of thing that could only have been come up with by someone who grew up with The Avengers and that 60s school of serious/silly high camp tv. The Darkness are total winkers. Maybe you need to be an appreciator of unwinking rock n roll of that ilk to get the joke AND fall in love with the tunes. It's a little like the folks who allegedly took Spinal Tap at face value as a documentary and missed the mock aspect entirely. Though I say that as someone who plays the Rutles album as often as I play Revolver. Whoah!! The Darkness are punching way above their weight getting mentioned in the same breath as Spinal Tap and The Rutles! Despite ridiculousness of the whole thing they always seemed to take themselves quite seriously. I was about to say it helps if you like the type of music that they're parodying, but then again if somethings good enough (like Spinal Tap or The Mighty Wind for that matter), it doesn't matter. But liking early punk definitely helps me appreciate the joke of Punk's Not Dad where some older blokes play spirit of '76 type thrashy stuff, but with subjects that include sheds and man-flu as opposed to anarchy and smashing things up! Spinal Tap and Rutles belong together no question but The Darkness do not. I was comparing the confusion among not-in-the-metal-know onlookers rather than linking the things themselves. The Darkness are not pastiche. There is definitely a guilty pleasure aspect for the parts of their audience that "don't usually like that kind of thing" and there are more than a few nods and winks towards those of us who like that kind of music but the artistic intent is I think deadly serious. Like Jellyfish in that respect and at least as serious as say The Specials. Or Elastica. Or The Strokes. Hmm. I really can't imagine The Darkness writing something like Ghost Town.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 14:22
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keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Yes, but seeing as the comparison continued in your "...punching above their weight..." comment, I was responding to that in the sense of differentiating between what is essentially out and out pastiche and more the nod and a wink stuff if you see what I mean. Not really. I just find it interesting that you would take up someone else's comment with me rather than the person who said it. It says a lot about this site. What? Really. Some one disagrees with you on something and it "...says a lot about this site"? Maybe get Holy to sort that out? You're being deliberately provocative now. You know that's not what I mean. Hmmm I dunno though.... Anyhoo, have a nice what's left of the Bank Holiday. Peas n riffs.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 14:31
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Moon Cat wrote: Anyhoo, have a nice what's left of the Bank Holiday. Much of that will depend how Wrexham get on in the Play-off final this afternoon! I'm playing a gig in town there this evening. The pub will be a much happier place if our club is gonna be back in the football league!!
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PMM 3155 posts |
May 05, 2013, 14:34
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when I stopped smoking weed.
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