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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Edited May 05, 2013, 01:38
May 05, 2013, 01:08
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That's not really a good comparison. Spinal Tap and A Mighty Wind are driven by the comedy first and the music second. Both brilliant (well, being the same people helps!) and there is genuine affection in there too, but they are comedy projects with well observed music attached. The Darkness are a rock band that see the silliness in rock bands. Massive, inherent difference. For a start, they just wouldn't have shifted the number of records they do if it was all just a larf It's just not simply parody, though but I would agree, that it helps if you like the source material to begin with to, for want of a better phrase, 'get it'. There's a huge difference between just taking the piss out of something - any schmuck can do that (and badly probably) -and paying homage to something that you know is inherently ridiculous but in your heart of hearts, and, against the accepted critical mores of the day, loving it anyway. The Darkness are essentially a tribute band to the music that they grew up with and the music they like and they music that they want to play. The fact that they, or rather more Justin Hawkins, dresses it up in a coat of absurdity, reflects an affectionate nod to the sillier aspects of rock. It doesn't matter what genre it is, no one will pull off a better nod and wink piss take of something than the true fan because no one else will see the detail and recognise it for what it is. If they wanted to be the Barron Knights that you suggest, then there are much easier ways of doing it. The fact that they choose to make well-crafted pop-metal with as much nods to the melodic twin-guitar rock of Thin Lizzy (Dan Hawkins' fave band) and 70s Brit rock as to the supposed hair metal siginifiers indicates a labour of love, not just cheap shots fired at easy targets. An interesting thing; early on in their career The Darkness supported the then reasonably lauded Stereophonics. On the tour one of the latter came up to one of the former and said something along the lines of "We love you lot, you get to play on stage what we do in sound-checks" to which the reply was, not unreasonably, something like "Well, why don't you just play what you want?" You know, I don't expect any of this to make you like them - that isn't even an issue and for both our sakes, I'm not gonna bash my head against that wall. But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all.
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espsummer 340 posts |
May 05, 2013, 07:39
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you know what's really bad is when you go into a place like Quiznos, Qdoba or your typical food store and hear this terrible corporate indie music whose vocal inspiration came from Green Day/Emo and yet is even more "soul sucking" and sold out than the original sell-outs. Singing about not being understood.........thats when i really feel the "tits up-ness" of our lives.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited May 05, 2013, 08:08
May 05, 2013, 08:05
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"The Darkness are a rock band that see the silliness in rock bands. Massive, inherent difference. For a start, they just wouldn't have shifted the number of records they do if it was all just a larf" That's true. The point I was trying to get is that there was no way you were going to get the serious / silly thing unless you had an affection for the genre so that you can actually see the line. Otherwise to the hair/pomp-phobic The Darkness would look / sound no different than Nelson, Poison, Warrant or Winger.
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Boxnudger 246 posts |
May 05, 2013, 08:19
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Kid Calamity wrote: Anyone see Vampire Weekend and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs on Jools Holland, last night? Utter shite. Is that who it was? I thought it was Jimmy Carr and Sue Pollard.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 12:40
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Moon Cat wrote: That's not really a good comparison. Spinal Tap and A Mighty Wind are driven by the comedy first and the music second. Both brilliant (well, being the same people helps!) and there is genuine affection in there too, but they are comedy projects with well observed music attached. I know. It wasn't me who made the comparison. I was responding to Ian B's comments.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 12:55
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Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't!
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:00
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Yes, but seeing as the comparison continued in your "...punching above their weight..." comment, I was responding to that in the sense of differentiating between what is essentially out and out pastiche and more the nod and a wink stuff if you see what I mean. Funny, cos Jarvis Cocker played with Tap at Glastonbury (they were v funny - can really play too.). A furtive rock-out.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:04
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Moon Cat wrote: Yes, but seeing as the comparison continued in your "...punching above their weight..." comment, I was responding to that in the sense of differentiating between what is essentially out and out pastiche and more the nod and a wink stuff if you see what I mean. Not really. I just find it interesting that you would take up someone else's comment with me rather than the person who said it. It says a lot about this site.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:13
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keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't! Oh, ffs 'ere we go... Ok Keith, you are entirely correct about all and everything to do with music and/or anything remotely related to it. The Keith Axiom of all things - That which Keith likes is clearly good and all should, by law, also like it; that which Keith doesn't like is clearly bad and no one else has any business liking it -is the only way to appreciate music or indeed anything. There is no other way. Anything else is falsehood and inherently WRONG. So mote it be now and forever more, amen.
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keith a 9574 posts |
May 05, 2013, 13:15
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Moon Cat wrote: keith a wrote: Moon Cat wrote: But I think you get them very wrong, or rather, just don't get them at all. It's a question of taste. And as I've got some, no, I don't! Oh, ffs 'ere we go... Ok Keith, you are entirely correct about all and everything to do with music and/or anything remotely related to it. The Keith Axiom of all things - That which Keith likes is clearly good and all should, by law, also like it; that which Keith doesn't like is clearly bad and no one else has any business liking it -is the only way to appreciate music or indeed anything. There is no other way. Anything else is falsehood and inherently WRONG. So mote it be now and forever more, amen. I just find it funny that some people including yourself are allowed to slag things off that they don't like, but others aren't. Grow up, man.
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