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machineryelf 3681 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 06:28
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lets not forget http://apollolaan.blogspot.com/ this is like a drone nuggets http://droningearth.blogspot.com/2010/09/droning-earth-vol36-side.html up to vol 37, some gems to be found Bong,friends of Bong & Infinite exchange records http://arequestforvolume.wordpress.com/ home of Diodaar, the North Easts best kept secret http://www.myspace.com/muzzediaverhead and BRB voicecoil, who do fit Ians criteria of being most unlikely to feature in a hair products ad Radiation Line http://www.myspace.com/theradiationline moon uniut http://www.myspace.com/wearemoonunit useful labels http://www.atwarwithfalsenoise.com/distro.html http://www.blackest-rainbow.moonfruit.com/ http://www.mutant-ape.co.uk/ http://www.aurora-b.com/news.php truth be told these days rather than trying to keep with music I tend to check out the above and that gives me more than enough to play with
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wychburyman 951 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 08:04
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IanB wrote: wychburyman wrote: Good strand! However, I'm always so far behind the times that it's already out of fashion by the time I get into it. But still yearning to see/hear something more revolutionary. If I may; "free jazz" sounds as if it is all very postmodern to me. Rather the antithesis of revolutionary grand theory and all that. Discuss! Interesting as I associate it with a communal / collectivist outlook, the kind back-to-Africa Afro/Latin-American Marxism of the 60s and 70s and total independence from the harmony of European music. Fair point, I think i need to listen to some before I make any more pronouncements! |
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thesweetcheat 6218 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 08:25
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singingringingtree wrote: IanB wrote: I would say that Free Jazz and the 12 Tone serialists are still out on the frontiers of popular taste. Anything else in music that hasn't charmed the bourgeoisie and been used to sell some product or another? i kida disagree on those 2 - i mean, coltrane, ayler, sun ra, ornette ... bet mojo has run pieces on them (or, in theory, it WOULD) ... cecil taylor may somehow just be a bit "other" for all this, mind ..... More contenders (taking up on the serialism idea + running in that general direction) = Alvin Lucier, robert ashley, david tudor (i was jamming hois "neural synthesis" the other day ... jesus christ, it sstill sounds utterly alien + WTF), etc etc Alvin Lucier, interesting. "I Am Sitting In A Room" takes some of Reich's earliest ideas ("It's Gonna Rain", etc) to a logical extreme. I agree with Ian though, I don't think Mojo etc have ever really paid more than lip service. I don't recall them doing anything about any of the minimalists. Even someone like Harold Budd is probably too un-rock for a Mojo piece(although again, hardly revolutionary either).
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IanB 6761 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 08:32
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wychburyman wrote: IanB wrote: wychburyman wrote: Good strand! However, I'm always so far behind the times that it's already out of fashion by the time I get into it. But still yearning to see/hear something more revolutionary. If I may; "free jazz" sounds as if it is all very postmodern to me. Rather the antithesis of revolutionary grand theory and all that. Discuss! Interesting as I associate it with a communal / collectivist outlook, the kind back-to-Africa Afro/Latin-American Marxism of the 60s and 70s and total independence from the harmony of European music. Fair point, I think i need to listen to some before I make any more pronouncements! LOL. Spoken like a music critic!
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singingringingtree 964 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 08:41
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IanB wrote: I would say that Free Jazz and the 12 Tone serialists are still out on the frontiers of popular taste. Anything else in music that hasn't charmed the bourgeoisie and been used to sell some product or another? i kida disagree on those 2 - i mean, coltrane, ayler, sun ra, ornette ... bet mojo has run pieces on them (or, in theory, it WOULD) ... cecil taylor may somehow just be a bit "other" for all this, mind hasn't a load of film music been really in debt to serialism, for years now? but, yeah, it's pretty austere in places but you never can tell what they'll use for an advert - did you see that one (no idea what for) that used one of those super-lo-fi Suicide 1975 demos that made it to the bonus disk on the cd reissue of their 2nd LP? mental ... More contenders (taking up on the serialism idea + running in that general direction) = Alvin Lucier, robert ashley, david tudor (i was jamming hois "neural synthesis" the other day ... jesus christ, it sstill sounds utterly alien + WTF), etc etc
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Sep 24, 2010, 16:36
Sep 23, 2010, 08:47
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Some of the more extreme Japanese improv artists like Keiji Haino and Musioca Transonic still haven't been assimilated into the mainstream, and given the nature of their music I think it's unlikely they ever will be.
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thesweetcheat 6218 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 09:04
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machineryelf wrote: How could I have forgotten Chadbourne, and what about vocalists, apart from Bjork has anyone leftfield penetrated the mass media. and can anyone think of anybody , my mind is a blank apart from Diamanda Galas. Not as extreme and scary as Diamanda, but Liz Fraser's non-language singing was embraced - "Aikea Guinea" was used on an ad for bottled water or something.
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thesweetcheat 6218 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 09:07
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IanB wrote: The minimalists are interesting because like the Serlialists some of their ideas have been adopted and turned into pablum by film score writers and house / chill out artists. Think of for example the American Beauty score which was then ripped by everyone in American tv all the way to the core of the mainstream - Desperate Housewives etc. So everyone gets a spoonful of Reich's Six Marimbas (for example) watered right down so it doesn't upset anyone. It's like sax players on rock records who dare to overblow for a few bars. Yes, that's true. I suppose Glass (and Nyman) have been responsible for bringing minimalist film scores into popular acceptance. I hate sax players on rock records, generally. Especially that 80s thing where "New Wave" groups seemed to think it was obligatory, e.g. the terrible re-recording of "Pretty In Pink" for the film of the same name. Saxophone is far better used on ska records!
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thesweetcheat 6218 posts |
Sep 23, 2010, 09:09
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IanB wrote: machineryelf wrote: How could I have forgotten Chadbourne, and what about vocalists, apart from Bjork has anyone leftfield penetrated the mass media. and can anyone think of anybody , my mind is a blank apart from Diamanda Galas. Bjork is a great example of someone who is still selling some records even though she has moved well out of the safety zone. I would love to hear her work with someone like Zorn or Joelle Leandre. She hasn't had a Gold record in America since Homogenic but even Medulla sold 250k. Which the likes of Kronos Quartet could only dreeam of. 50k is a very good result for someone like that. Medulla was pretty out-there for a record by a major artist. As was Drawing Restraint 9, although I don't know if that sold much.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Sep 23, 2010, 09:54
Sep 23, 2010, 09:16
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singingringingtree wrote: IanB wrote: I would say that Free Jazz and the 12 Tone serialists are still out on the frontiers of popular taste. Anything else in music that hasn't charmed the bourgeoisie and been used to sell some product or another? i kida disagree on those 2 - i mean, coltrane, ayler, sun ra, ornette ... bet mojo has run pieces on them (or, in theory, it WOULD) ... cecil taylor may somehow just be a bit "other" for all this, mind hasn't a load of film music been really in debt to serialism, for years now? but, yeah, it's pretty austere in places but you never can tell what they'll use for an advert - did you see that one (no idea what for) that used one of those super-lo-fi Suicide 1975 demos that made it to the bonus disk on the cd reissue of their 2nd LP? mental ... More contenders (taking up on the serialism idea + running in that general direction) = Alvin Lucier, robert ashley, david tudor (i was jamming hois "neural synthesis" the other day ... jesus christ, it sstill sounds utterly alien + WTF), etc etc Not sure Mojo and their ilk pay anything more than lip service to what was going on in Jazz in the 60s and 70s beyond Miles and maybe Mingus. Like all good Rock Critics they will claim a soft spot for Sun Ra but their knowledge of Trane will stop at A Love Supreme and all they will know of Pharoah Saunders is from one Acid Jazz comp or another. Rock fan's (and writer's) tolerance for atonality is pretty slender. Unless it is Jimi showmanship or a Pete T / Keith Moon smash up. 12 Tone sounds pretty atonal to the virgin ear. And Ayler has people running screaming (apart from maybe New Grass). I think film composers have lifted a lot of harmonic ideas from the Serialists but they don't follow through. With rare exceptions like the Henze stuff in L'Amour A Mort (or is it L'Amour Par Terre?). Which is most distrurbing. Anyway. I think Keiji Haino who is mentioned elsewhere is a good analog for the key figures in the Free Jazz scene and follows on from Zorn / Chadbourne etc. Zorn was actually the one name I expected to see writ large in this thread and Purple Trap. Stuff like that where the concessions to Rock are minimal but the instrumentation is more R&R than Jazz even if the rhythm sections are doing a Blackwell / Higgins / Haden kind of a thing. Bits of Purple Trap really remind me of Red Crayola.
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