IanB
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Edited Nov 23, 2009, 19:46
Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 19:43
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machineryelf wrote: in reply to your final point either one would be horrible, but yes at a push I'd take Cowell
can't find the article I was looking for, it was about how you didn't need a record to make a living, which was based on a couple of singersongwriters so in a way defeated the object because eveything would have to have been multiplied by 4 or 5 for a band, but it made interested reading
http://labs.timesonline.co.uk/blog/2009/11/12/do-music-artists-do-better-in-a-world-with-illegal-file-sharing/
point 41, from one of Gang of 4, was worth reading as was rest of article
Yes this Jon King quote could have saved me 2000 words
"This neo-liberal argument springs from a narrow worldview where musicians are treated like they’re luddites fighting progress, as if they’re software. Where , rather than support talented people trying to make a living , we hear tech-heads and rich musicians talk about distribution methodologies as if musicians interests were co-terminus with soft and hardware developers. They’re not. Musicians must get paid. Illegal fiesharing is the enemy of music."
I am not banging the drum for new law but I am banging the drum for people to understand the effect of what we are doing when we download. Then people can make the choice from an informed position. The "no harm no foul" thing that is trotted out by people who are using rock n roll as a battleground for a socio-political, anti-capitalist debate is bullshit and people need to know that. After that is down to the individual. People need to know that it is rock n roll that will suffer because world, classical, folk and jazz will get the Arts Council support. The new business model for rock n roll doesn't have to be poverty.
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IanB
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 19:50
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Squid Tempest wrote: This has generated a lot of heated discussion about the pros/cons of downloading, but very few people have focused on the actual legislation. Regardless of your view on downloading, this legislation is still very draconian and unpleasant. It removes the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" from the law in question. To me this is the important issue here.
You're not wrong. It is a shitty law. Tax the ISPs now!
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ratcni01
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 20:33
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Mojojojo for pope!
*Pins medal for sensiblist thing said in this thread* (Heh, picture that, ME giving out sensiblist medals - lol)
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Kosmischeboy
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 21:17
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Squid Tempest wrote: This has generated a lot of heated discussion about the pros/cons of downloading, but very few people have focused on the actual legislation. Regardless of your view on downloading, this legislation is still very draconian and unpleasant. It removes the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" from the law in question. To me this is the important issue here.
Exactly, and while we're on the subject why the fuck are they not doing anything seriously about the REAL criminals, the ones we all see on markets and car boots SELLING fake cds/dvds to the general public, surely its them who are costing the record/film companies money in the long run because thats where your average joe is gonna get hold of his cds/dvds at 3 for a tenner. Despite what us passionate music fans think we are a drop in the ocean in regard to the big picture and there are a hell of a lot more average joes out there! It's mr and mrs smith from no 43 acacia avenue, that used to get their robbie williams cd from woolies along with their latest disney dvds for the kids, who impact the big boys by buying their stuff from geoff down the car boot, who then uses his money to fund his other criminal activities. Yet these guys never get properly busted and it's us poor sods who feel the brunt of these draconian laws, the really sad thing is no matter how many of us filesharers get busted, geoff will still be there killing music/dvd retail and making a pretty penny, of that we can be certain.
And for the record i haven't downloaded anything for the last year or so, but did in the past, and i do support my local record shop here in scarborough and will continue to do so. That doesn't mean i think downloading is wrong, i think it is a perfectly acceptable way of obtaining music, and i believe (as a musician myself) it also leads to cd sales in the long run, i have bought many cds by artists i hadn't heard before as a result of downloads in the past. I think people need to realise that downloads are a great promotional tool, record companies still haven't latched on to this really, a free or cheap download of a full cd before it comes out should result in some extra sales and should increase the quality of an artists work in theory, 'cos one things for sure if we download it and it's shite we ain't gonna buy it!
Anyways that's my two (possibly three!) penneth worth...
And hello again all! ;0)
Kb
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 21:23
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Kosmischeboy wrote: And for the record i haven't downloaded anything for the last year or so, but did in the past, and i do support my local record shop here in scarborough and will continue to do so. And hello again all! ;0)
Kb
I said I wasn't going to add to this thread any further, but I am impressed that you have a local record shop in Scarborough still. (Last time I went there was a place selling great second-hand 7" singles but that was about it I think). My favourite seaside when I lived in York.
:-)
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Kosmischeboy
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 21:30
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Actually we have 2, one second hand one and a new/second hand one :D Both having occasional nuggets of musical joy :D It's all about the hunt ;0)
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 21:47
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Kosmischeboy wrote: Actually we have 2, one second hand one and a new/second hand one :D Both having occasional nuggets of musical joy :D It's all about the hunt ;0)
Lovely! Glad to hear that the record shops of Yorkshire are surviving the twin evils of the recession and evil downloads. I hope Track in York is still going strong too.
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Kosmischeboy
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 21:57
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Unfortunately not :0( They went last year, great shame 'cos it really was a great shop, i used to go to their branch in doncaster a lot too, and the staff there were always great :0D
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 22:01
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Kosmischeboy wrote: Unfortunately not :0( They went last year, great shame 'cos it really was a great shop, i used to go to their branch in doncaster a lot too, and the staff there were always great :0D
Gutted! :-(
That really is a shame, I used to go every Monday lunchtime to buy a weekly fix of new releases or just talk bollocks to the staff. Moved away in 2006, so hadn't realised it had gone. Bummer.
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Kosmischeboy
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Re: Fileshare and illegally download now!
Nov 23, 2009, 22:21
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Incidentally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYTyg8loC9Q
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