superboss
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 11, 2005, 23:13
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only a northern song - yellow submarine album
hey bulldog - same album
tomorrow never knows
all psychedelic classics in my opinion
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marinade
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 11, 2005, 23:30
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I think The Beatles were the greatest band ever. Only overfamiliarity lessens their impact. I envy anyone hearing Tomorrow Never Knows for the firt time. Or Day Tripper, And Your Bird Can Sing, Paperback Writer, Helter Skelter, Eleanor Rigby, Help, etc etc etc.
Howard Goodall's programme about the technical (compositional) genius of the group was excellent And he didn't even mention the Aeolian cadence at the end of She Loves You.
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sakedelic
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 11, 2005, 23:44
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Stipe is a clueless twit, though.
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Dog 3000
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 11, 2005, 23:48
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The Beatles were the greatest rock group there ever was and no other group comes close. Among their many innovations, they pretty much created "The Group" as we now know it (writing their own songs, producing their own records, controlling their image & destiny etc. -- just compare to the Elvis & the Colonel situation which was the pattern previously.)
John Lennon in particular was a singular songwriting talent, on par with someone like Thelonious Monk. Learn to play "I am the Walrus" and see what I mean -- it makes NO SENSE on paper, but it's so catchy you can hum along after the first listen. By comparison all of Jagger & Richards' compositions are on the kindergarten level of the Ramones -- functionally rocking, but hardly anything that musicologists will bother with in the future.
Sure you can quibble on some things -- McCartney wrote some dreadful shlock, and I don't think Harrison rates very highly as a songwriter or singer at all (a super-influential guitarist however.)
As has already been commented on, the ubiquity of the Beatles has taken a lot of the fun & novelty out the experience, and even makes them seem less important than they are. I think the same about Charlie Parker -- he was sooo fucking brilliant & ahead of his time, but it's hard to "hear" that today -- precisely because he was so brilliant that everyone who's come along since has based their work on his. His influence on jazz, like the Beatles on pop/rock, is so pervasive that you can't see it -- like the air around us.
Over-exposed certainly, over-rated never!
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Lord Lucan
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 12, 2005, 00:03
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I think that's crap, actually. In their time they were musically a lot more radical than REM have ever been. They even went as far as 'Revolution 9', which isn't exactly MOR music for housewives, is it?
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Lord Lucan
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 12, 2005, 00:06
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"Wings are the band the Beatles could have been."
Alan Partridge.
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Earl Mallard
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Re: Aeolian cadence
May 12, 2005, 00:12
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Sounds like a type of bird.
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Earl Mallard
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 12, 2005, 00:22
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Some cred points must be given to McCartney for The Fireman albums he made with Youth...and his other alter ego Percy Thrillington. Just block out 'Press To Play', 'Give My Regards To Broad Street' and all that thumbs up nonsense. It never happened.
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Earl Mallard
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 12, 2005, 00:37
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Another reason to love the beatles.........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/radio/robertelms_beatles.shtml
...the co co shunter
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Lord Lucan
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Re: The Beatles are/were rubbish.
May 12, 2005, 00:40
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Unfortunately though 'Simply Having A Wonderful Xmas' or whatever it's called refuses to fucking die and comes back with a vengeance every year.
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