Moon Cat
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Re: pleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 15:51
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The trouble is though that some artists want the attention but only in certain contexts i.e love me while I'm onstage but don't bug me at the bar - which can be a bit shit for fans too.
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Popel Vooje
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 17:14
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So maybe I should have said hello to MES then. Hmmm...
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dave clarkson
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:06
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..dunno about that. I may have caught him in a good mood though I think people are naturally scared of him as he's pretty unpredictable.
I know he insulted Mr Tones once when Jim was trying to help him and he also threw a friends CD across the room.
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dave clarkson
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:12
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...I know someone who approached Roger De Corsey (of Roger De Corsey and Nooky Bear fame) and was told to fuck off by him.
Also, the same person approached AMM's Keith Rowe and told him his dad was called Keith Rowe as well and was told swiftly to fuck off.
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Popel Vooje
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:17
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<People are naturally scared of him as he's pretty unpredictable>.
I do know someone who knew him back in the late 70s who claimed he's bipolar and is on lithium - judging by other reports I've heard, that would seem to fit.
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Lugia
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:38
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Hmmm...now, a colleague of mine worked with Cale a few months back, and something about the experience might explain what happened...
He said John Cale himself was a _wonderful_ gentleman. Of course, they were bending over backwards to make sure that everything had been dealt with venue-wise to make Cale's job easier. However...at one point, my colleague tried to ascertain what Cale's choices of liquor would be for the dressing room, this of course being a standard point with many touring artists, and was curtly told by Cale's personal assistant 'No. There will be none of that.'
Soooo...two theories here: either the PA hadn't been doing his/her job, and John Cale HAD gotten hold of something that did a Jekyll/Hyde on him, or the PA was doing his/her job TOO WELL and had been driving John Cale up the frickin' wall during this period by aggressively keeping him on the wagon. Anyway, both are theories...in amongst other possibilities. Suffice to say, we've got a little evidence that he's not like that ALL the time, so it may have been something to do with circumstances.
After all, it should be pointed out that sometimes when you're out dealing with the public, you...well...just don't want to deal with the public. I've had evenings where I've felt perfectly at ease and chummy with the crowd I'd pulled in, and others where I just wanted to get the fuck OUT and not deal with anyone. The dynamics there can be really complex in what causes one or the other or many states in between to occur. Sometimes it only takes one or two abusive shitheads in the crowd to really put you off of everyone, given that you're the one out there hanging it all out onstage and, ostensibly, giving it your creative all.
Anyway, not trying to be a Cale apologist here and all, but do keep in mind that sometimes there's more to it than someone simply being a total ass. However...in certain cases, some artists (including a few I've dealt with) ARE total asses, so that needs to be kept in mind as well.
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Vybik Jon
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:40
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Julian Cope has always been okay. Kirsty MacColl was lovely. Lemmy was pissed, but okay, Elvis was a bit offish, but he was serving someone at the time.
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rocknicker
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:50
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was this during your time in service?
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Vybik Jon
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Re: Unpleasant Heroes
Apr 27, 2005, 18:51
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Armed or Lucan?
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Jim Tones
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MES....pissed in the house
Apr 27, 2005, 19:09
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Venue: Night & Day, Oxford Street, Manchester 1999
I was sitting at the bar with a friend when MES was swaying at the side of us.
Then as I turned around he says.....
MES: "Can yer help us mate ?.....Where's the....?.....hang on!.........Who's yer mate with the funny haircut ?"
JT: "I think it's quite good myself"
MES: "Fuck off yer scouse cunt!"
JT: "Excuse me...I'm from Flintshire"
MES: "You're always at the bar aren't ya (hic!)"
JT: "Er.....I'm at the bar now yeah.....I bet you were at the Free Trade Hall in 1976 to see Van Der Graaf Generator"
MES: "Eh......yer weird you.....Where's the cigarette machine our kid ?"
JT: "I'll show you....over here"
I walked him to the ciggie machine which had a backlit illustration on the front of a man in a car sporting a handle-bar moustache, I then helped him put the coins in the slot....
JT: "You see that man on the front of the machine in the sports car ?"
MES: (looking through one eye) "Er....yeah!"
JT: "Well that's actually Holger Czukay and he's now sponsored by 'marlboro lights'......it's about time he had some royalties"
MES: "Er....Eh?...er....yer fuckin' mad you are!"
MES staggers off back to where he was originally sitting with a group of friends, then about 30 minutes later throws a friend's CD across the room and is then taken to the front door by the bouncer.
'I Am Damo Suzuki' indeed....
I think not ......you drunken wretch
He's still a genius though!
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