Captain Starlet
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Re: Marr Show and petition
Nov 29, 2015, 21:57
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Well it might sway a few minds into taking a more rational and common sense approach. Doubt it but I like to pretend I'm an optimist!
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sanshee
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Re: Marr Show and petition
Nov 29, 2015, 22:01
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Oh no the DM will not be against bombing I'd imagine, but Hitchens is a bit of a Maverick and I find his articles on Corbyn quite fascinating too
Don't get me wrong Hitchens is a fruitcake in other regards, all church and state and anti too much for my liking but you've got to be flexible enough to accept you can't always agree about everything anyone says anyway.
Even Paddy Ashdown, an ex Royal marine so hardly a tree hugger, is opposed to bombing.
As is the ex ambassador to Syria.
As are countless others, who actually 'understand' that world.
Who's up for it then?
Cameron?
Gideon?
Grant Schapps?
Those geniuses?
Of course we probably have Liz Kendal and the now unemployed John McTernan, whose sole purpose in life seems to be wanking over the days when D:ream and Oasis and Blair were in the charts.
And of course sticking his neb into things that don't concern him anymore.
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Rhiannon
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policy on Syria from the Labour conference
Nov 30, 2015, 12:31
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I know it's a bit weird but when the Labour party conference was on tv (buried down the end of the list past children's tv and the porn channels) - i found myself watching it, and get this, rather enjoying it. Probably because it was all so upbeat and idealistic, full of strident speeches about the NHS and foreign policy and how crappy the tories are.
So it's interesting that back then the conference agreed that there'd have to be four criteria met if the party were to agree getting involved in bombing Syria.
And they (arguably) haven't been met.
http://www.leftfutures.org/2015/11/labours-shadow-cabinet-must-not-split-the-party-over-going-to-war/
Maybe Agreeing such a thing at the conference means nothing to the labour mps. But you'd think it ought to.
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spencer
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Edited Nov 30, 2015, 22:13
Re: Marr Show and petition
Nov 30, 2015, 16:21
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McTernan's just been interviewed (why?) on BeebNews24 in full 'Corbyn must go' mode. Also on that impartial channel are two pieces with dooooooomy music (again, why?) one allegedly a statement by an anonymous resident of Raqqa, saying what lifes like, how the Russian airstrikes miss their targets while the French hit theirs, the other saying how horrible life is under Assad. Conservative MP Emily Thornbury's just been on saying she will not be voting for airstrikes on Syria as Cameron has failed to make a sufficient case for the aftermath. I wonder which of these interviews will be given greater prominence later. EDIT: Got wrong end of stick. Thornberry's Lab....but, in the complete interview earlier she did say the case had not been made, so she'd be voting against. The repeats are edits, omitting this bit but leaving the bit where she said she wanted the freedom to make up her own mind.
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spencer
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Debate - and vote - Wednesday
Nov 30, 2015, 19:38
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If anyone thinks emailing their MP will make the slightest difference then tonight is the night to do so...suggest contacting others of your aquaintance. What odds air will be followed by ground? No adequate plan for the aftermath: same old, same old.. 99 Lab MPs 'for', allegedly.
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Debate - and vote - Wednesday
Nov 30, 2015, 22:33
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http://writetomp.peoplesmomentum.com/
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thesweetcheat
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Re: policy on Syria from the Labour conference
Nov 30, 2015, 22:36
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It's pretty sad that some Labour MPs are trying to use this to manufacture a "leadership crisis".
The media needless to say will go for Corbyn no matter what - "dictator" if he forces them to support his stance, "weak/U Turn" etc if he allows a free vote.
To think that something that could cost thousands of lives should be such a political football tells you much about what's wrong with many of our politicians.
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sanshee
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Edited Dec 01, 2015, 13:34
Re: policy on Syria from the Labour conference
Dec 01, 2015, 13:30
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thesweetcheat wrote:
It's pretty sad that some Labour MPs are trying to use this to manufacture a "leadership crisis".
The media needless to say will go for Corbyn no matter what - "dictator" if he forces them to support his stance, "weak/U Turn" etc if he allows a free vote.
To think that something that could cost thousands of lives should be such a political football tells you much about what's wrong with many of our politicians.
Just heard Corbyn on Vine, and FWIW must have got mainly positive response from listeners going by e mails.
Speaks too much about uncomfortable truths, like how the mess that is Libya might have paved was for what happened in Tunisia.
All that stuff.
Hilary Benn is really getting on my tits more than anyone, got nothing at all to say other than how dreadful Isis are, as if we do not know.
Offers nothing in terms of what to do about it then.
David Davis is another revelation, a tory who remember supports the death penalty so hardly a peacenik, but in this instance (and as ex Army) recognises what a deeper mess we'd be causing.
Also tells us in Iraq there are about a million police/ security forces to help on the ground, in Syria there are over 100 different factions Dave so cosily calls 'the Free Syrian Army'.
Then there was the ex Nato chief, saying the same as Davis.
Who does Cameron ask?
Grant Schapps?
Samantha?
Gideon?
I think no one.
Interesting Tom Watson has *now* asked Dave for more time.
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Captain Starlet
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Re: Debate - and vote - Wednesday
Dec 01, 2015, 14:30
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99 Labour for is still 40 less than what reeled against Blair, but doubt anyone's interested in that. Still 99 too many but does show that with over 200 MP's voting that Corbyn's not the outsider people claim him to be
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spencer
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Plus..
Dec 01, 2015, 15:06
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...some Cons with sense - they do exist - will be opposing or abstaining. Imho JC should have whipped.
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