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grufty jim
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Re: Donald Trump for President!
Jul 27, 2015, 00:57
dhajjieboy wrote:
I don't know why i bother....

Then don't. It's really very very simple. Just don't.

dhajjieboy wrote:
I think of your posts as a trap to incite arguments over the smallest of diffrences, but here goes.

It wasn't a trap. They aren't traps. It wasn't supposed to incite an argument. Or even be remotely contentious. It was almost the precise opposite. And it's such a shame that I need to point that out, because like being forced to laboriously explain a joke, it kills the spirit of the thing.

I'm well aware that Donald Trump does not represent the vast majority of Americans. The essence of my point wasn't even about America; I was making a universal point by drawing attention to a current extreme example of the thing. I ask the same question about the bizarre decision of Londoners to take Boris Johnson seriously.

And every bloody day I wonder aloud about the Irish people collectively electing Tweedledee to run the country after Tweedledum destroyed the place.

I'm not angling for an argument, but your insistence on reading one in everything I say is paranoid as hell (and just tiring from my perspective). I don't think I'm saying anything remotely controversial or contentious when I say that we - collectively speaking - seem to regularly vote against our own best interests.

We elect the wrong people. Almost all the time. And this isn't a left/right ideological thing, or a party political thing... it's just objectively true. Here in Ireland we have elected governments that landed the country with generations of debt, incurred by international private financial institutions over which the people had no effective control (or legal accountability for). What happened here is one of the great scandals of our times, but it has been effectively swept under the mat in order to keep the European financial system ticking along nicely.

We objectively took the wrong people seriously; however you cut it. And we continue to do so. And that's the point. The people in Irish politics have not changed in the past decade. We voted to not change things.

And the reason for that is because there's a systemic problem that only presents "the wrong people" as viable options. I have no idea how you fix that. I don't think you can under capitalism actually, but that's a whole 'nother discussion - and that one probably would be controversial and contentious but it's not what I'm talking about here.

Like it or not Americans, you are still the only real superpower on the world stage right now. So American politics is de facto world politics. Other than Irish people, no bugger gives a shite who the next government of Ireland will be. But everybody in the world cares who the next US president is going to be. For good reason.

So it's world news when a lunatic like Trump starts polling well - even if it's just in terms of a party candidacy. We all know the guy doesn't represent sensible Americans, but we look at our own governments and we realise that idiots get elected all the bloody time.

It just matters more in some places than others.

None of this is contentious dodge, none of it is argumentative. So please, stop trying to turn every bloody thing into a psychodrama. I was making a light-hearted reference to a universal issue. One which happens to be made current by Donald Trump.

Do I think he'll be the next president? Of course not. But crazier things have happened in modern democracy and for every day that passes with him being taken seriously, the joke gets a teensy bit more uncomfortable.
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