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billding68 1016 posts |
Jan 11, 2015, 17:08
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phallus dei wrote: Another great, thought-provoking take on the incident: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40651.htm Sickening , sad , perverted perhaps mad magazine should be next or SNL or any who dare satirize any topic be it Islam or Kanye west, maybe all opinions ( right or wrong) should be squelched...wait that exactly what these motherfuckers want isn't it? I guess for some they've already won, sit down shut up and do as your told will be the mantra of the sheepeople.
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phallus dei 583 posts |
Jan 11, 2015, 18:32
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billding68 wrote: phallus dei wrote: Another great, thought-provoking take on the incident: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40651.htm Sickening , sad , perverted perhaps mad magazine should be next or SNL or any who dare satirize any topic be it Islam or Kanye west, maybe all opinions ( right or wrong) should be squelched...wait that exactly what these motherfuckers want isn't it? I guess for some they've already won, sit down shut up and do as your told will be the mantra of the sheepeople. I don't see how satirizing a group already demonized by the establishment is an example of freethinking, nor do I see how joining in with the establishment in mouthing the "correct" response to tragic events is anything other than herd behavior. People who prize critical thought should be aghast at the way the Western media and our western governments attempt to squash any viewpoint that goes against the metanarrative. People who prize critical thought should deliberately try to find viewpoints that challenge the status quo. Here are three more: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40663.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40659.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40658.htm
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billding68 1016 posts |
Edited Jan 11, 2015, 18:50
Jan 11, 2015, 18:48
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phallus dei wrote: billding68 wrote: [quote="phallus dei"]Another great, thought-provoking take on the incident: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40651.htm Sickening , sad , perverted perhaps mad magazine should be next or SNL or any who dare satirize any topic be it Islam or Kanye west, maybe all opinions ( right or wrong) should be squelched...wait that exactly what these motherfuckers want isn't it? I guess for some they've already won, sit down shut up and do as your told will be the mantra of the sheepeople. I don't see how satirizing a group already demonized by the establishment is an example of freethinking, nor do I see how joining in with the establishment in mouthing the "correct" response to tragic events is anything other than herd behavior. People who prize critical thought should be aghast at the way the Western media and our western governments attempt to squash any viewpoint that goes against the metanarrative. People who prize critical thought should deliberately try to find viewpoints that challenge the status quo. Here are three more: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40663.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40659.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40658.htm In this case the "establishment" is correct in demonizing these scum fucking murderous sub-people. unless that is if you personaly condon beheadings,rape of prepubescent girls the sale of women. all of which are practices of extremist Islam. Just who has the "herd" mentality here? the followers of extremist Islam or those who object to there acts of terror?
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Edited Jan 11, 2015, 18:59
Jan 11, 2015, 18:50
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While I don't think killing of any kind is in any justifiable, it doesn't hurt to try a bit of empathy here. People have a tendency to co-opt religion as a bit of an invisible tool they can turn to on those rare times when they need to, and keep out of sight and out of mind all the rest of the time. They don't delve any further than that. If you really, truly believe in your faith, though, to the point where it informs everything you do, life on earth becomes a transitory thing and abiding by the tenets of the faith becomes your everything. I can relate to the latter 'tude more than the former, personally. It seems lazy and weak to believe in something of that magnitude but not make any changes or compromises whatsoever in your approach to it. It's like having a magical bedside drawer full of all the power of the Infinite Universal Oneness you can dip into once every six months or so, and pretty much forget about the rest of the year. We're talking about true believers here, and they may be a worrisome breed for the rest of us, but they have the nobility of someone seeing something to its realisation, too. Like the dewd in the article said, the vast, vast, vast majority of them go about their faith in their own, quiet fashion, but imagine if you truly believe this all-powerful deity who fashioned us all is being continually ridiculed and slighted. This deity is not a man-made concept, not one God of many you've pulled out of a hat, but the most powerful entity that ever existed and ever will. A good chunk of France seems to fucking hate Muslims right now, and there's this one screed in particular whose lifeblood is ripping into the one thing you love more than anything in the world. It's appalling that this handful of people would take any lives, but you can see why a true believer, and not just in a half-cooked Western kind of way, would be incensed. I've read the Qur'an, and while I do think it reads like one mad bloke's protracted, particularly intense fever dream, it explicitly says to be patient with anyone who has any bad words to say about Islam. These maddened individuals went against the text, so don't lay the blame of this particular incident at the doors of Islam. "Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite). "Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy." "But leave them in their confused ignorance" "(Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe! "But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!" "And bear patiently what they say and avoid them with a becoming avoidance. And leave Me and the rejecters, the possessors of ease and plenty, and respite them a little." "Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine."
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phallus dei 583 posts |
Jan 11, 2015, 21:49
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billding68 wrote: phallus dei wrote: billding68 wrote: [quote="phallus dei"]Another great, thought-provoking take on the incident: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40651.htm Sickening , sad , perverted perhaps mad magazine should be next or SNL or any who dare satirize any topic be it Islam or Kanye west, maybe all opinions ( right or wrong) should be squelched...wait that exactly what these motherfuckers want isn't it? I guess for some they've already won, sit down shut up and do as your told will be the mantra of the sheepeople. I don't see how satirizing a group already demonized by the establishment is an example of freethinking, nor do I see how joining in with the establishment in mouthing the "correct" response to tragic events is anything other than herd behavior. People who prize critical thought should be aghast at the way the Western media and our western governments attempt to squash any viewpoint that goes against the metanarrative. People who prize critical thought should deliberately try to find viewpoints that challenge the status quo. Here are three more: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40663.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40659.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40658.htm In this case the "establishment" is correct in demonizing these scum fucking murderous sub-people. unless that is if you personaly condon beheadings,rape of prepubescent girls the sale of women. all of which are practices of extremist Islam. Just who has the "herd" mentality here? the followers of extremist Islam or those who object to there acts of terror? The Charlie Hebdo cartoons were not an attack on "extremist Islam" but an attack on "Islam" itself, via nude caricatures of Mohammed and racist depictions of Muslims. Considering that France and most of Europe have laws against "hate speech", I don't see why those sorts of images should be allowed to have been printed. Perhaps if France did not have laws against hate speech, and fully practiced "freedom of the press" than there would have been a precedent to explain the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. But as it is, I don't see what was praiseworthy about denigrating an entire group, especially when that group was already ostracized from French society, and when there are laws prohibiting racist depictions of other groups. Furthermore, the journalists in the articles I linked to all go to some length explaining how France, Britain, and the US have been instrumental in funding and promoting the spread of Wahhabi and Takfir Islam. The establishment is certainly not opposed to these groups, only opposed to these groups carrying out their actions in "civilized" soil. This can be seen via the West's cheerleading of reactionary Muslim insurgents in the Middle East. The Muslim nations targeted for destruction by the West, while certainly far from perfect, tend to be much more secular and socially progressive than the ones in the West's pocket. Socialist Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were far more progressive in terms of the treatment of its women than Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. Rather than praising cartoons that attack Islam, and thus contribute to the further denigration of an already marginalized group, a better strategy would be to criticize our Western "leaders" who have destroyed the most advanced nations in the Middle East, and,through their recklessness, endangered our lives in the process.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jan 11, 2015, 22:41
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Something that's been playing on my mind is that there's so many people going on about freedom of speech here. Charlie Hebdo wasn't the exact exemplar of freedom of speech itself, they sacked the artist Siné in 2009 for 'anti-semitism' when he was only commenting on Sarkozy. It seems that freedom of speech is ok as long as you don't piss off certain people in their eyes, which to me is just rank hypocrisy.
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billding68 1016 posts |
Jan 12, 2015, 01:54
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Captain Starlet wrote: Something that's been playing on my mind is that there's so many people going on about freedom of speech here. Charlie Hebdo wasn't the exact exemplar of freedom of speech itself, they sacked the artist Siné in 2009 for 'anti-semitism' when he was only commenting on Sarkozy. It seems that freedom of speech is ok as long as you don't piss off certain people in their eyes, which to me is just rank hypocrisy. Being a hypocrite and firing someone hardly compares to beheading them, those are the people you better not speak your mind in front of.
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phallus dei 583 posts |
Jan 12, 2015, 16:33
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Captain Starlet wrote: Something that's been playing on my mind is that there's so many people going on about freedom of speech here. Charlie Hebdo wasn't the exact exemplar of freedom of speech itself, they sacked the artist Siné in 2009 for 'anti-semitism' when he was only commenting on Sarkozy. It seems that freedom of speech is ok as long as you don't piss off certain people in their eyes, which to me is just rank hypocrisy. I agree. Here is a great article that originally appeared on the World Socialist Website about Western hypocrisy regarding "freedom of speech" and the recent events in France. Even if you aren't a Marxist (and I'm not), the article still makes many good points: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40670.htm And here is a relevant article by Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40671.htm
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jan 12, 2015, 17:36
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Not saying it is, but does show that they weren't the staunch allies of freedom of speech people are saying they are.
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billding68 1016 posts |
Jan 12, 2015, 18:37
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Captain Starlet wrote: Not saying it is, but does show that they weren't the staunch allies of freedom of speech people are saying they are. That hardly makes there murder more palatable, these rat bastards who killed upwards of 12 people should be the focus of contempt here not the victims who where slaughtered by them for printing material deemed objectionable by there twisted religious beliefs.
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