handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:13
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pooley wrote: handofdave wrote: One more good reason to legalize it.
Yes, but until they do..........
Oh please. Or are you going to give up everything that you aren't 100 percent sure is "human-bondage free"?
There are ways for concerned people to shift their buying habits to more fair and just supply chains.
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handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:17
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Pooley, you're asking everyone to feel guilty because they cannot be absolutely sure at all times that their purchases aren't driving a sweatshop.
Worse, you're imposing moral absolutes on others that you are not prepared to follow in full yourself.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:30
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There's only one way Dave. I'm consructing my tower and from now on I'll be St Sea Cat The Stylite.
;-)
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grufty jim
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:43
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pooley wrote: But, before I do, would you as a point of principle say that people should not smoke cannabis if they are unaware of it's origins. Or, because hey you can't do everything, and you kind of like it, should you ignore it?.
It's a tough one, it really is. As Zizek says in that lecture, it's incredibly difficult to condemn ethical consumption because in the current climate the only alternative is unethical consumption. But because charity and ethical consumerism, etc. ultimately prolong an unjust system, they need to be seen in that light. As Wilde says in The Soul of Man under Socialism, "... the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it..."
It's been a good while since I smoked pot of unknown origins. But I acknowledge that I'm fortunate in that respect, and most people aren't so lucky. In response to your direct question though, I'd suggest firstly that if you knew for a fact that the cannabis you were about to buy came from a "sweatshop" then, on principle, you should not buy it. That at least is unambiguous.
It becomes more difficult when you're talking about unknown provenance. Because -- as I've already said -- we all find ourselves enmeshed in a system built upon exploitation. I personally cannot call on others to avoid pot of unknown provenance when I myself am willing to consume products of unknown provenance (not pot, as we've established, but I'd be a bare-faced liar if I claimed I knew the supply-chain for every single thing I own).
Again, I do my best to work (in my own limited capacity) towards a less unjust system. But we are all steeped in compromise, and to deny that would be absurd. So I don't.
pooley wrote: By the way, my post was not entirely aimed at you. I can see how it seemed that way - apologies for that. You told me how you source, and I accept that
No worries. And apologies, in turn, for the rather snippy tone of my response. I just have a thing about that "Yeah, but I never claimed..." line. It rubs me up the wrong way and I was unnecessarily irate in my reply.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:45
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handofdave wrote: pooley wrote: handofdave wrote: One more good reason to legalize it.
Yes, but until they do..........
Oh please. Or are you going to give up everything that you aren't 100 percent sure is "human-bondage free"?
There are ways for concerned people to shift their buying habits to more fair and just supply chains.
No I'm not. But there are ethical reasons for not eating mcdonalds, so most on here don't. There are ethical reasons for not flying. Most on here don't. Cannabis? Oh shit, I like that. And well it's a lifestyle choice innit. Anyway you can't do everything. Sorry Dave but you're a fucking hypocrite.
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grufty jim
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:47
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pooley wrote: Sorry Dave but you're a fucking hypocrite.
In Defence of Hypocrisy.
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handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 19:37
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Yeah, yeah, whatever you say. What a clever trap you've caught me in. Oh my, you've really got me now.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 19:44
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handofdave wrote: Yeah, yeah, whatever you say. What a clever trap you've caught me in. Oh my, you've really got me now.
Wasn't trying to catch you with anything. I don't know you, or your values. I don't know anything about you. (apart from what you post on here, still you can't be all bad).
What is wrong with asking people to display the same ethical values when buying this, as they would for any other product.
Your anger at this shows your hypocrisy. Will you only buy cannabis from ethical sources? It is one of the simplest things you can do. Surely.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 19:44
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handofdave wrote: Yeah, yeah, whatever you say. What a clever trap you've caught me in. Oh my, you've really got me now.
Isn't that a kinks song?.
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dee
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 20:20
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Yeah....but does anyone actually believe this sensationalist media bullshit??? I mean it 'might' be true but c'mon.....'hey kiddie, you aint trimming that cola quick enough'...thwack!......utter bollocks imo
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