Vybik Jon
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Edited Aug 19, 2010, 22:33
Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:31
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No.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:34
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grufty jim wrote: pooley wrote: Fair enough. But the message should now be, if you are not sure where it comes from - dont smoke it
Do you apply that same standard to everything you buy at the grocery store? At the clothes store? Do you own a mobile phone (and do you know where the coltan it contains was sourced)? How about your TV and the components that make up the computer you are using?
Modern market capitalism makes slave owners of us all.
(EDIT: including me... not levelling an accusation, just pointing out that singling out cannabis is a little simplistic)
No. But I have never claimed to be any good at this.
With all the posturing that people do - you included - on this site, i thought that you would be outraged that people are used in this way to bring you a simple pleasure.
I assumed, that you would be s vocal calling for this to end as you would be nike sweat shops etc.
Seems that if it is something you enjoy, it is somehow less wrong. Interesting that
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handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:37
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One more good reason to legalize it.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:52
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handofdave wrote: One more good reason to legalize it.
Yes, but until they do..........
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handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:57
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It's difficult to be sure that everything in a modern life hasn't been tainted by someone's abuse of another human being. Actually, it's a probability that at some point your possessions or food or entertainment cost someone something vital... their lives, even.
But you sit there smug in your apathetic little corner of invulnerability and judge those who fully admit that they don't always succeed in living their creed? That's lame. At least they have achieved a consciousness regarding the consequences of their purchases.
It's easier to mock people who give a shit than to actually give a shit, I know, but do try to extend some respect to those who at least recognize that they might be compromising a higher principle.
Your 'gotcha' just exposes the real purpose of your original post, which was to specifically attack pot smokers as being hypocrites. Obviously you really don't give a rats ass about the sweatshop workers at all... they're just a prop in your rather weak assault.
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grufty jim
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Edited Aug 19, 2010, 18:00
Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 17:58
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pooley wrote: No. But I have never claimed to be any good at this.
Just good at lecturing others. I love that defence "ah, but I never claimed..." Blaming someone for failing at something you can't even be bothered to try isn't the most worthy of attitudes.
pooley wrote: With all the posturing that people do - you included - on this site, i thought that you would be outraged that people are used in this way to bring you a simple pleasure.
Ok, first up, I've been pretty clear that nobody is being used in this way to bring me pleasure (regarding pot anyway). So why would I be outraged at something that isn't happening?
Beyond that, I'm interested in exactly what "posturing" you're accusing me of here. Could you actually cite something relevant? Or are you just name-calling?
pooley wrote: I assumed, that you would be s vocal calling for this to end as you would be nike sweat shops etc.
Not sure I've ever called for an end to Nike sweatshops. Not recently anyway. Not that I endorse them or anything, but again, for clarity, can you actually recall an instance of this "calling for" / "posturing"?
In fact, if you'd taken notice of my recent posting of the Slavoj Zizek lecture, you'd be aware that I'm extremely dubious about the whole notion of ethical consumption. Which is why I used the phase "modern market capitalism makes slave owners of us all".
The entire economic system upon which we rely for sustenance drips with the sweat of the exploited. I want to see that change, but it won't happen by closing down a few sweatshops and buying Fair Trade coffee. Indeed, it's Zizek's contention (and one I tend to agree with) that such things only serve to prolong the injustices by providing us with meaningless salves for our collective conscience.
pooley wrote: Seems that if it is something you enjoy, it is somehow less wrong. Interesting that
And it seems like you are making assumptions about my beliefs that have no basis in fact. Contributing to sweatshop labour by smoking pot is just as wrong as buying a t-shirt manufactured in one. But it's difficult for me to condemn either too forcefully so long as I myself are part of the economic system that perpetuates both. And as I don't actually engage in either so far as I'm aware, your finger-pointing is a little hasty.
I can lament that system, certainly. I can try to contribute towards its replacement, but I don't claim to be clear of the shadows it casts.
I once spent a lot of time and energy campaigning against things like sweatshops, and I still applaud those who do so. Where I'm aware of exploitation in the supply chain, I avoid it of course. But it works both ways, pooley. Condemning people here for buying sweatshop pot (even though many of us don't) is only valid if you condemn people for buying other sweatshop products.
And that condemnation includes you.
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:03
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No. I've stopped smoking it. And stopped doing many things because I don't agree with their production. Or some aspect of it.
This is an easy thing to give up. It's not an essential, it's as much as a luxury as, oh, air travel. And seems to be equally damaging to a small group of people
My point is this. It is something you like , therefore you will make an excuse to carry on with it. And in doing so you are condeming those children to a type of hell.
Easy to slag something as unethical when it ain't something you do. If youbreally care, you will stop this. Wouldn't you?..
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:05
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A lot of good points. Do you. Ind if I answer this fully when I ain't on my iPad. .
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pooley
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:09
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But , before I do, would you as a point of principle say that people should not smoke cannabis if they are unaware of it's origins. Or, because hey you can't do everything, and you kind of like it, should you ignore it?.
By the way, my post was not entirely aimed at you. I can see how it seemed that way - apologies for that. You told me how you source, and I accept that
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handofdave
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Re: do you smoke cannabis?
Aug 19, 2010, 18:09
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There's no need to quit something you enjoy. You just find another source with a trusted provenance. Millions of people are beginning to make this happen on a wider scale with coffee trusts and the like.
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