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handofdave 3515 posts |
Nov 15, 2009, 18:22
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Are you a vegetarian? Up until very recently, people living in far northern climes didn't have the option of such a diet (and economically, they still don't... imagine having to fly in all your food to satisfy a moral argument). In the winter there is literally no vegetation. Would you argue that the Inuit should starve because we down here in our balmy regions disapprove of whaling? In their case, it's subsistence, not preference, and they use literally every part of the animal. The Tibetans eat a lot of meat, because they too live where there is very, very little vegetation that humans can digest. And they don't have a reputation as being 'cruel'.
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Nov 16, 2009, 08:51
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That is entirely different from a moral point of view. The Chinese, Japanese and Norwegians live in a fertile arable environment. The Innuit hunted sustainably out of necessity, and not to the point of extinction. They, like the native Americans and the Aborigines repect the balance of nature. It is not wanton unnecessary slaughter for reasons of the palate.
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2009, 14:09
Nov 16, 2009, 14:03
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handofdave wrote: They may have a broader idea of what constitutes acceptable animal protein sources, and it might shock our culture that many Asian peoples eat animals that we consider cute (dogs and cats), or intelligent (whales), but let's be careful not to stereotype 1.5 billion people. After all, we in the west continue to butcher millions of feeling creatures for food. Yes, we do. And the fact we see celebs like Whittingstall (over here, a famous tv proponent of organic farming - ie he's got a really, really nice cottage + his own land) send x amount of volts through a chicken's skull (as he's demonstrated) in order to kill it 'the humane way' don't make no difference to the chicken. It still flapped about like it was terrified, coz it was. We either take that on board or we don't. There may be more chickens out there, but I don't think that's always where the sentiment lies, so I agree with much of what you say there. EDIT: Infact I had some Algerian friends a while back when I lived in England, and although they readily ate horse, something I find a bit alien (even though eating deer ain't at all) they balked at the thought of eating rabbit (as I said I had) coz it reminded them of 'cats'! x
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Nov 16, 2009, 14:45
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Deepinder Cheema wrote: Fuck Children in Need, have they not got enough money already? - I want to see their accounts. Give your money to these type of initiatives Hmmm. Children in Need is a load of shite telly, yes. Celebs get smugged out, the kookiness is almost hernia enducing, but if it's the one way some disabled kids can keep their day centres opened etc then I say 'fuck the whales' to be honest. If we want to stop this type of shite telly, then we must get back to taking care of each other properly, looking after those that need it and once we've prioritised get on with other things. We'll be in a much better place to do so. Sorry, just read some thing 'real' about one child's account of life in a Catholic Church run Industrual School and his subsequent traumas. Kinda rattled me a bit. x
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2009, 16:03
Nov 16, 2009, 16:02
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sanshee wrote: handofdave wrote: They may have a broader idea of what constitutes acceptable animal protein sources, and it might shock our culture that many Asian peoples eat animals that we consider cute (dogs and cats), or intelligent (whales), but let's be careful not to stereotype 1.5 billion people. After all, we in the west continue to butcher millions of feeling creatures for food. Yes, we do. And the fact we see celebs like Whittingstall (over here, a famous tv proponent of organic farming - ie he's got a really, really nice cottage + his own land) send x amount of volts through a chicken's skull (as he's demonstrated) in order to kill it 'the humane way' don't make no difference to the chicken. It still flapped about like it was terrified, coz it was. We either take that on board or we don't. There may be more chickens out there, but I don't think that's always where the sentiment lies, so I agree with much of what you say there. EDIT: Infact I had some Algerian friends a while back when I lived in England, and although they readily ate horse, something I find a bit alien (even though eating deer ain't at all) they balked at the thought of eating rabbit (as I said I had) coz it reminded them of 'cats'! x Whatever you thing of Whittingstall, he uses every part of the animal, no waste, that he has raised organically and humanely. He doesn't throw the live animal, minus fins, back into the sea as with sharks, some species seriously endangered, because some fucker likes them in his soup. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Anyway, as always, Peace and Love. :-).
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2009, 17:20
Nov 16, 2009, 17:20
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I'm with the Whales and all the other non-human sentient beings on this one . No animal has ever intentionally done me a bad turn. Let's face it, if your last activity in your present incarnation is to be shat out of a Lion's arse on some lonely plain, you can take comfort in the fact that it really was nothing personal. inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjA2-VvYlnA
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2009, 17:52
Nov 16, 2009, 17:52
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sanshee wrote: Deepinder Cheema wrote: Fuck Children in Need, have they not got enough money already? - I want to see their accounts. Give your money to these type of initiatives Hmmm. Children in Need is a load of shite telly, yes. Celebs get smugged out, the kookiness is almost hernia enducing, but if it's the one way some disabled kids can keep their day centres opened etc then I say 'fuck the whales' to be honest. If we want to stop this type of shite telly, then we must get back to taking care of each other properly, looking after those that need it and once we've prioritised get on with other things. We'll be in a much better place to do so. Sorry, just read some thing 'real' about one child's account of life in a Catholic Church run Industrual School and his subsequent traumas. Kinda rattled me a bit. x The Sea Cat wrote: I'm with the Whales and all the other non-human sentient beings on this one . No animal has ever intentionally done me a bad turn. Has a child? If you don't care much for them fair enough. I do get a bit disturbed by the 'animals over humans' thing though. I actually find it a wee bit sinister. That besides, facts are that in order to make the world a better place for all the sentient beings out there, we have to at least try to make 'decent human beings' first. x
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Nov 16, 2009, 18:11
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sanshee wrote: sanshee wrote: Deepinder Cheema wrote: Fuck Children in Need, have they not got enough money already? - I want to see their accounts. Give your money to these type of initiatives Hmmm. Children in Need is a load of shite telly, yes. Celebs get smugged out, the kookiness is almost hernia enducing, but if it's the one way some disabled kids can keep their day centres opened etc then I say 'fuck the whales' to be honest. If we want to stop this type of shite telly, then we must get back to taking care of each other properly, looking after those that need it and once we've prioritised get on with other things. We'll be in a much better place to do so. Sorry, just read some thing 'real' about one child's account of life in a Catholic Church run Industrual School and his subsequent traumas. Kinda rattled me a bit. x The Sea Cat wrote: I'm with the Whales and all the other non-human sentient beings on this one . No animal has ever intentionally done me a bad turn. Has a child? If you don't care much for them fair enough. I do get a bit disturbed by the 'animals over humans' thing though. I actually find it a wee bit sinister. That besides, facts are that in order to make the world a better place for all the sentient beings out there, we have to at least try to make 'decent human beings' first. x That means less people. Less children. Even the Dalai Llama got into trouble for pointing out that obvious fact. I have no dislike of humanity, but I am sick to death of media/corporate/political bullshit re. the lucrative gains of continually spinning 'the family'. It's a great vote catcher/money spinner when we should be dealing with the facts., and why when I go out for a meal etc. do I have to put up with little Conrad or Tarquin 'expressing' himself by running amok around my table at my expense? Complain, which I do on principal, and the selfish response of the me-first New labour modern family brigade is astounding. I live here too. :-).
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handofdave 3515 posts |
Nov 16, 2009, 18:16
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The Sea Cat wrote: That is entirely different from a moral point of view. The Sea Cat wrote: It's not the scale. It's the fundamental principle. ? So which one is it? Forgive me if I misread you, but you seem to be contradicting yourself.
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dodge one 1242 posts |
Nov 16, 2009, 18:18
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I flick gobs of Mash Potatoes at the little brats.
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