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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 14:24
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Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Interestingly, during a recent trip to the area I stood a wooden post in the middle of the site of the recently discovered 'bluestonehenge' and found that a direct line from the midsummer sunrise to the post intersected exactly with a direct line from the midsummer sunset to the post. If my calculations are correct, the same can be recorded at Robin Hoods ball.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 14:34
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Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Presumably these latest revelations will be manna from heaven for EH and the Visitor Centre, but does anybody check out the alignment claims to see if they are correct, or just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about? Just asking. Just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about . Further the refutations have data whilst the claims only have graphics ,but it is not only the data it's the logic that is also flawed .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 14:37
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Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Interestingly, during a recent trip to the area I stood a wooden post in the middle of the site of the recently discovered 'bluestonehenge' and found that a direct line from the midsummer sunrise to the post intersected exactly with a direct line from the midsummer sunset to the post. Lol , exactly .
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 15:22
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tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Presumably these latest revelations will be manna from heaven for EH and the Visitor Centre, but does anybody check out the alignment claims to see if they are correct, or just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about? Just asking. Just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about . Further the refutations have data whilst the claims only have graphics ,but it is not only the data it's the logic that is also flawed . Shouldn't they be told then George?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Edited Sep 12, 2014, 15:49
Sep 12, 2014, 15:47
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Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Presumably these latest revelations will be manna from heaven for EH and the Visitor Centre, but does anybody check out the alignment claims to see if they are correct, or just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about? Just asking. Just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about . Further the refutations have data whilst the claims only have graphics ,but it is not only the data it's the logic that is also flawed . Shouldn't they be told then George? Within days of the first mention in winter 2011 I had mentioned the problems here http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=64329 and elsewhere . Since then they have come up with variations on the theme and if anything got worse i.e. the latetst circular reasoning on the prog and the mistaken belief that the cursus runs east to west which results in an error for the bisection of the angle of the solstices . It's not a matter of opinion but simple data and errors in reasoning . I've done my bit , not much more I can say ,until the next prog and or other announcements .
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 16:43
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tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: No mention of the snails paced procession southwards at noon , maybe next week . Even when leaving aside the error in the western alignment and reasoning for the mid point procession ,what was scary is that nobody ,either prog production or worse any of the huge numbers involved seems to have picked up on the obvious circular reasoning in the explanation for the “intersection “ . The script : “When the position of the pits were computer modelled against movements of the sun “ (note , no mention of the site the movements were being modelled from .) “ Their true importance became clear , the calculation “(note there is no calculation merely a recording of the solstice rise and set from one point ) “showed that on midsummers day the eastern pits alignment with the sun set and western pits alignment with sun set “(note , the fact that it is unsighted from the monument and is not on the line of the alignment is less important in relation to the logical error , for the moment ) “ intersect” (note, the crux of the tautology , of course they would intersect there if that is where you are recording the phenomena from in the first instance ) at the location of where Stonehenge would be built some 400 years later .” A less important potential problem is the date of the pits ,they are undated , they could post date the construction of monument . Presumably these latest revelations will be manna from heaven for EH and the Visitor Centre, but does anybody check out the alignment claims to see if they are correct, or just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about? Just asking. Just take it for granted that they know what they are talking about . Further the refutations have data whilst the claims only have graphics ,but it is not only the data it's the logic that is also flawed . Shouldn't they be told then George? Within days of the first mention in winter 2011 I had mentioned the problems here http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=64329 and elsewhere . Since then they have come up with variations on the theme and if anything got worse i.e. the latetst circular reasoning on the prog and the mistaken belief that the cursus runs east to west which results in an error for the bisection of the angle of the solstices . It's not a matter of opinion but simple data and errors in reasoning . I've done my bit , not much more I can say ,until the next prog and or other announcements . Well, if they've been told it's up to them now.
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thesweetcheat 6218 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 19:43
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Genius, ha ha ha.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Sep 12, 2014, 21:26
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Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote: Here's another supposedly serious suggestion from part of the team . bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-23286928 Dave Cowley, aerial survey projects manager at RCAHMS, said: "It is remarkable to think that our aerial survey may have helped to find the place where time itself was invented." So the Creationists are right, it was quite recent.
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Mantid 100 posts |
Sep 13, 2014, 00:50
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As an American, I had to go through some rituals of my own to view this. Immediately looked on ebay for some pink flint for my curio cabinet. No dice... so guess I will have to make a trip to the gift shop there to acquire a sample? Alternatively, anyone know the pantone number for it? Also, what is the context of the chirping sounds that happens as the overlay graphics pop up and spin into place? Is it a "digital" version of clockwork or camera lenses? Servo whines made a bit more cyber? I know this show didn't invent the aesthetic, but am actually curious what they are actually going for.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Sep 13, 2014, 07:30
Sep 13, 2014, 07:28
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I watched the programme again yesterday (this time uninterrupted) in the hope that I could make more sense of the computer generated imagery that overlaid the landscape as we recognise it today. The bit about the long barrow was fascinating and David Jacques talking about the Mesolithic with his demonstration of pink flint was definitely a highlight. Much of the other stuff I'm still pondering on having watched with some caution after reading posts here by Tiompan. Just came across this rather short review. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/operation-stonehenge-what-lies-beneath-tv-review-behold-the-porsches-of-the-mesolithic-age-topquality-flint-9727724.html
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