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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:46
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tiompan wrote: Harryshill wrote: Been there, done it. Overrated. Nothing you cold trust. I always loved it ,but haven't tripped in years . No doubt that it can be transformative but anything other than personal insights is pure nonsense . Information is not passed on in that way . Any one that believes that drugs provide info from outwith their skulls is deluded . The word DRUG is so loaded and leads to the wrong impression, i will never see what nature gives us in those terms, mushrooms and weed - 2 of natures greatest gifts to us, cocaine and opium are also two of natures best pain killers when used in the right way, the human race has been endebted to these substances since the beginning.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:47
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nigelswift wrote: "Your fucking horrible to him" Untrue. As ever. I described him accurately, in a way he would approve of. I know. I have met him and also talked to him at length by phone. Yet again your perceptions, conclusions and reactions have proved erroneous. How ironic that you claim you "know" stuff that other don't. That's the psychic missing the train syndrom again . He manages to get so much obvious stuff so wrong , it's hilarious . lAny one remember Daphne Moon from Frasier ?
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:48
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The question was How can you possibly claim what goes on between your ears outranks the collective learning of Mankind?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:48
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: Harryshill wrote: Been there, done it. Overrated. Nothing you cold trust. I always loved it ,but haven't tripped in years . No doubt that it can be transformative but anything other than personal insights is pure nonsense . Information is not passed on in that way . Any one that believes that drugs provide info from outwith their skulls is deluded . The word DRUG is so loaded and leads to the wrong impression, i will never see what nature gives us in those terms, mushrooms and weed - 2 of natures greatest gifts to us, cocaine and opium are also two of natures best pain killers when used in the right way, the human race has been endebted to these substances since the beginning. Call them what you like , it doesn't chamge the meaning of the comment .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:50
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thesweetcheat wrote: tiompan wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: This is more like the bottom part of a sphere (like it's been scraped out with an ice-cream scoop, but not to any great depth). Does that make sense? Yep , sometimes shallow cups are result of weathering . What type of stone is it d ? Old red sandstone, so quite easily worn. Ideal .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:51
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Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Lots of these patterns (particularly spirals, zig zags and chevrons) appear in the edges of message pads when people doodle while on the phone/in meetings. I'm not sure that most of the people are taking hallucinogens at work (I could be wrong), so isn't an equally plausible explanation that these are the sort of patterns people make when decorating things? Hell of a doodle in stone eh. Can you imagine the phone bill for a three week call :-) Ha, a lot of stone tools could have been sharpened in the process of making the rock art as well, these people did like killing two birds with one stone [3 or 4 if they could], making art and at the same time stone tools sounds good to me. The creation of rock art tends to result in the dulling of points not sharpening . Rubbing tools [and various other tools] need dulling before use and rock art is made in various ways, as you well know. You mentioned sharpening . What gets found at rock art sites in those few cases where they have been excavated is lots of smashed quartz and possible hammer stones .Nothing wrong with killing two birds with one stone but it doesn't seem that likely from from what we have found at these rock art sites that have been excavated some tools would have clearly been made in the process, of course they would, it makes the time spent doing the art more worthwhile and is just common sense. Maybe the tools used were seen as "holy ". Seriously ,where are these tools ? We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving . "We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving" there of course. But they were simply used for the job then dumped at the site ,they had no other use . How do you know this? I've seen them , and know what a used engraving stone looks like whether used with direct or indirect percussion . If you are suggesting that they might have had another use then why are they found at the site and not elsewhere and and why not accompanied by other tools ? ,it's the most obvious conclusion . but they may have had another use on site, you don't know they didn't. Has anyone any actual experience of stone engraving? It was hardly a ride in the park I shouldn't think! I helped Andy Mcfetters a bit with one of his commisions and did a few other things in the garden , it's not particularly difficult , about 10 minutes for a cup ,I'm sure if you were used to it you could do it quickly . According to Andy doing a over four rings is not so easy more skill required for that . that's just the physical side . What tools did you use George, stone? Oh yes , had to be . Anything that is harder than the surface . Quartz is odd in that it leaves a white dust in the engravings but it does clog things up so you have to get rid of it to continue .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:53
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Rhiannon wrote: If you can't learn anything from anybody, do you expect the opposite ie for anyone to be able to learn anything from you? Or is it that we can learn from your thoughts and experiences? Just not the other way round? Just to clarify, which of these are you saying? (you can ignore this completely if you can't decide) of course people learn things from people, i just like it face to face [i know if they're lying then], and nobody is going to learn anything here because everyone seems to [think they] know everything anyway, and the only question i pose is "how do i know the things i do if it doesn't come from books?[after middle school]" the answer lies in experience, and yes if you learn something from me it's only me passing on what i have learned from the experience, so yes i suppose the experience is teaching us, it's certainly not me.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:55
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Harryshill wrote: bladup wrote: Harryshill wrote: Trip and you get a trip. Why don't you understand that? Tripping is nothing but tripping your not making any sense, are you drunk?[a real harmful "drug"] Again you lack understanding. I don't drink.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:55
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Remember her? She's never off my telly.
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 22:57
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tiompan wrote: Ideal . In that case, b will have some mushies, Nigel needs some green, I'm sure r will have some white in order to read folklore a bit faster, and I'll have a box of tic tacs please. Goodnight all!
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