Harryshill
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:02
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Why don't you understand that 'tripping' is not understanding.
Been there.
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Sanctuary
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?/Cupmarks
Dec 17, 2012, 21:03
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tjj wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Two questions for our experts. Is it possible to 'age' unrecorded rock art and at the same time differentiate between two distinct periods (age) of art on the same rock?
After 86 posts and about 80 being totally irrelevent to the thread, may I, in an attempt to stabilise things ask a further question that hopefully we can all join in sensibly. Sorry if that sounds patronising but it's not meant to be.
Cupmarks. To my untrained eye, many of them look 'natural'. How do you tell the difference between those and the 'manufactured' ones?
Roy , quite , and not patronising .I posted this a wee while ago .Might help .
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/14271/non_rock_art.html
That is a really helpful link Tiompan. When I first heard about cup marks I started looking for them locally but learnt (from you) that rock art rarely occurs on sarsen because it is so hard. I got quite excited about this stone in a local village (near M4). I don't know if you recall me asking you about it but appreciated the benefit of your expertise.
Is it cupmarked both sides June?
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bladup
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:03
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thesweetcheat wrote: Which could suggest that these patterns are so "deep rooted" in our brains that they don't need mushrooms to bring them out, couldn't it?
No not needed but very helpful [eg a lot easier than fasting for weeks], the patterns are in all nature as well, in and outside your mind, your probably someone who'd love it, have you?
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bladup
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:03
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Harryshill wrote: More surmising
More trolling.
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Harryshill
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:03
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Clearly, you have no idea what was happening in he 60's-70's
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bladup
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:04
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Harryshill wrote: Why don't you understand that 'tripping' is not understanding.
Been there.
Where?
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bladup
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:05
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Harryshill wrote: Clearly, you have no idea what was happening in he 60's-70's
he 60's - 70's - don't be sexist now.
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tiompan
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:05
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Lots of these patterns (particularly spirals, zig zags and chevrons) appear in the edges of message pads when people doodle while on the phone/in meetings. I'm not sure that most of the people are taking hallucinogens at work (I could be wrong), so isn't an equally plausible explanation that these are the sort of patterns people make when decorating things?
Hell of a doodle in stone eh. Can you imagine the phone bill for a three week call :-)
Ha, a lot of stone tools could have been sharpened in the process of making the rock art as well, these people did like killing two birds with one stone [3 or 4 if they could], making art and at the same time stone tools sounds good to me.
The creation of rock art tends to result in the dulling of points not sharpening .
Rubbing tools [and various other tools] need dulling before use and rock art is made in various ways, as you well know.
You mentioned sharpening .
What gets found at rock art sites in those few cases where they have been excavated is lots of smashed quartz and possible hammer stones .Nothing wrong with killing two birds with one stone but it doesn't seem that likely from from what we have found at these rock art sites that have been excavated
some tools would have clearly been made in the process, of course they would, it makes the time spent doing the art more worthwhile and is just common sense.
Maybe the tools used were seen as "holy ". Seriously ,where are these tools ? We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving .
"We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving" there of course.
But they were simply used for the job then dumped at the site ,they had no other use .
How do you know this?
I've seen them , and know what a used engraving stone looks like whether used with direct or indirect percussion . If you are suggesting that they might have had another use then why are they found at the site and not elsewhere and and why not accompanied by other tools ? ,it's the most obvious conclusion .
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tiompan
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:07
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bladup wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Which could suggest that these patterns are so "deep rooted" in our brains that they don't need mushrooms to bring them out, couldn't it?
No not needed but very helpful [eg a lot easier than fasting for weeks], the patterns are in all nature as well, in and outside your mind, your probably someone who'd love it, have you?
You don't have to fast or take drugs or anything to access these motifs they are found everywhere in all cultures at all times and in children who have clearly not had to fast etc .
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thesweetcheat
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Re: How is Rock Art aged?
Dec 17, 2012, 21:07
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bladup wrote: ... the patterns are in all nature as well
Another reason why making these patterns doesn't have to involve mushrooms. Art often imitates nature, doesn't it.
And no, not mushrooms, in answer to your question. Which immediately invalidates any argument I could make, no doubt.
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