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goffik 3926 posts |
May 12, 2012, 19:02
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ideomotor_effect G x
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 12, 2012, 19:32
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goffik wrote: If you're a non-believer in dowsing with rods or a pendant then that load of balls is just as unbelievable. A body responding emotionally to tears is something we all understand but the rest of it must carry a certain amount of uncertainty surely?
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
May 12, 2012, 19:52
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Let's not forget: "If you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out." ;) That’s assuming the mind is in the brain Goff :-) It raises an interesting point though, a point that’s not too far removed from the crux of the thread, and that’s the point that asks what is normal, acceptable, or likely to be ‘true’ and what isn’t. So far there seems to be two schools of thought here - one thinking that dowsing (let’s just use that as the example) is a load of cobblers and the other that thinks maybe there is, or might be, something in it. I don’t think anyone’s actually come forward yet to say they’re a regular practicing dowser (pity, as there’s at least one very respected, though sadly now only occasional, contributor to this board who definitely is). But getting back to assumptions. It’s easy to assume the mind is in the brain and then order our behaviour/perception of the world around that. But that’s not necessarily the case (that the mind is located in the brain) and even here in the West there’s a residue of thought that harks back to a time when at least some emotions were located elsewhere - heartbroken, heartfelt, heartless, kind-hearted for example all point to a belief that some cognitive functions were not located in the brain but in the heart. Likewise snootiness in the nose, gardening skills in the fingers and plonkers (of various orders) in the nether regions :-) All just figures of speech now maybe but ones that shaped/shape? our culture (as did the Japanese belief that the hara (belly) was the region were truth and morality dwelt). We might say all that’s beside the point - well, maybe it is, but with so many unanswered questions about ourselves and the world/universe/dimension that we inhabit still unanswered (let alone asked) I don’t think closing doors (sometimes actually slamming them shut) on yet ‘unproven’ practices will get us out of the ‘can’t be’ house nor lead us to a better understanding of where we might be heading. Just a thought, wherever that might be located :-)
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 12, 2012, 20:10
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Job done! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090908151330.htm
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goffik 3926 posts |
May 12, 2012, 20:20
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But... Someone being propelled across a field by an invisible force emanating from *a rock* isn't "balls"? :D G x
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 12, 2012, 20:32
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goffik wrote: But... Someone being propelled across a field by an invisible force emanating from *a rock* isn't "balls"? :D G x More of a Fairy Tale from an Enchanted forest I would think. Oh hold on a minute that's the tree isn't it :-) Joking apart, I think the original post mentioning trees and stones throwing people about to Mr H was probably over-stated by the guy that rang him. I don't think any of us really believe that but a lesser force from whatever source detected by mind, dowsing rods, pendants etc probably more plausible and where I would stand.
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goffik 3926 posts |
May 12, 2012, 21:08
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Well, I do remember as a child watching the likes of "How" and "Blue Peter" and seeing every now and again how they could power a clock using a potato. Otherwise I think it's perfectly feasible that we are inadvertently influencing the way the rods move. Maybe not in all cases, but those that suggest guidance by paranormal means, yes. G x
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Resonox 604 posts |
May 13, 2012, 07:00
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tiompan wrote: The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. That seems a typical response from most first attempts , but is it dowsing ? I don’t know , dowsers don’t seem to respond to that question . If you look at Roy’s link dowsers claim to find much else apart from water “dowsing can be also used for searching for other underground features such as archaeological remains” . Previously unknown archaeological sites are found all the time a good example might be rock art ,which varies from being in plain sight to buried under turf /heather .How come dowsers never find any . Or anything else archaeological for that matter If you do your dowsing around sites lie stone circles and you get the usual response known to every beginner why believe it has some relationship to the site ? , try it at a landfill site and you’ll get the same response does that suggest that there was a missing stone from a stone circle or a processional route , or might there be a more mundane explanation ? The past few decades have seen the rise of dowsing for “energies “ rather than the more usual “blind springs “ of Underwood or Lethbridge’s “rates “ , where is the mention of this prior to the 60’s in the extensive writings on the subject ? And..why do the vast majority of people with this marvellous 1st time success rate...never keep it up? My auntie Bunty's dowsing rods were constantly crossing and uncrossing..so we tied a bit of wool to each one and now she produces marvellous balaclavas, jumpers and socks...sorted ;0)
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 13, 2012, 07:51
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Resonox wrote: tiompan wrote: The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. That seems a typical response from most first attempts , but is it dowsing ? I don’t know , dowsers don’t seem to respond to that question . If you look at Roy’s link dowsers claim to find much else apart from water “dowsing can be also used for searching for other underground features such as archaeological remains” . Previously unknown archaeological sites are found all the time a good example might be rock art ,which varies from being in plain sight to buried under turf /heather .How come dowsers never find any . Or anything else archaeological for that matter If you do your dowsing around sites lie stone circles and you get the usual response known to every beginner why believe it has some relationship to the site ? , try it at a landfill site and you’ll get the same response does that suggest that there was a missing stone from a stone circle or a processional route , or might there be a more mundane explanation ? The past few decades have seen the rise of dowsing for “energies “ rather than the more usual “blind springs “ of Underwood or Lethbridge’s “rates “ , where is the mention of this prior to the 60’s in the extensive writings on the subject ? And..why do the vast majority of people with this marvellous 1st time success rate...never keep it up? My auntie Bunty's dowsing rods were constantly crossing and uncrossing..so we tied a bit of wool to each one and now she produces marvellous balaclavas, jumpers and socks...sorted ;0) :-)
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
May 13, 2012, 07:57
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Resonox wrote: And..why do the vast majority of people with this marvellous 1st time success rate...never keep it up? Actually, everyone can have rods cross 100% of the time at precise, predicted visible spots and without moving their hands.
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