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Resonox 604 posts |
May 11, 2012, 18:57
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Sanctuary wrote: Resonox wrote: Fair comment...but no dowser respects being doubted or the right to doubt them. Bit like religion isn't it :-) Exactly like it...people cherry-pick the bits that suit them and hold them up to prove their points and just pretend the bits which are also written in whatever script they are following/quoting don't exist or have a different meaning which only they are privvy to by dint of "knowing better!"....My problem is...I can't get creationism...but I can't grasp evolution either...everything has too many flaws which are conveniently ignored..depending on who you talk to. Am I a crevolutionist?
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The Eternal 924 posts |
May 12, 2012, 00:31
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Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 12, 2012, 06:32
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The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. Hi TE, I don't think there is an exact 'official' blueprint for a dowsing rod other than them looking like an 'L' shape with one side longer than the other, a 'Y' shaped branch of a tree (just remembered that one but was the original wasn't it) and a quartz crystal pendant that my friend uses along with quite heavy steel rods made out of 1/4" bar (they don't get affected by wind apparently!!) VBB and Drew will no doubt be 'passing' comment at this point but it's not a 'wind' up!! :-) Feeling a prat is what amateurs do but those that I've seen take it very seriously and concentrate 100% on what they are doing. At first my friend used to get out her pendant and hover it over a stone/patch of ground/photo/map/whatever and if I came near would quickly put it away because she knew how sceptical some people were and it takes their concentration away. Now that she knows I respect her views as much as I expect her to respect mine, she uses both pendant and rods naturally to what appears to be good effect. You take or leave what she says but I respect someone who doesn't ram it down your throat after 'seeing' what you don't see. A gift? I don't know, I just accept it for what it is and get on with my own thing because I may never understand hers but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheers, Roy
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Lubin 509 posts |
May 12, 2012, 10:02
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Sanctuary wrote: The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. Hi TE, I don't think there is an exact 'official' blueprint for a dowsing rod other than them looking like an 'L' shape with one side longer than the other, a 'Y' shaped branch of a tree (just remembered that one but was the original wasn't it) and a quartz crystal pendant that my friend uses along with quite heavy steel rods made out of 1/4" bar (they don't get affected by wind apparently!!) VBB and Drew will no doubt be 'passing' comment at this point but it's not a 'wind' up!! :-) Feeling a prat is what amateurs do but those that I've seen take it very seriously and concentrate 100% on what they are doing. At first my friend used to get out her pendant and hover it over a stone/patch of ground/photo/map/whatever and if I came near would quickly put it away because she knew how sceptical some people were and it takes their concentration away. Now that she knows I respect her views as much as I expect her to respect mine, she uses both pendant and rods naturally to what appears to be good effect. You take or leave what she says but I respect someone who doesn't ram it down your throat after 'seeing' what you don't see. A gift? I don't know, I just accept it for what it is and get on with my own thing because I may never understand hers but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheers, Roy I was always a sceptic before I tried for myself. I was at the Heritage Centre near to The Hurlers and they had some rods and stones there to try it out. I did and it seemed to work when I went near to the stones. I made some rods of my own and went back and tried it at The Hurlers. I walked the circles and was amazed when the rods came together and then separated as I walked over points in the circle where there was no stone but in the right position for one to have been. I'm sure there is something in it as I have tried at various places on Dartmoor as well and it works there as well.
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Resonox 604 posts |
May 12, 2012, 14:23
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But...none of the stones actually threw you aside?
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
May 12, 2012, 14:53
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Lubin wrote: Sanctuary wrote: The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. Hi TE, I don't think there is an exact 'official' blueprint for a dowsing rod other than them looking like an 'L' shape with one side longer than the other, a 'Y' shaped branch of a tree (just remembered that one but was the original wasn't it) and a quartz crystal pendant that my friend uses along with quite heavy steel rods made out of 1/4" bar (they don't get affected by wind apparently!!) VBB and Drew will no doubt be 'passing' comment at this point but it's not a 'wind' up!! :-) Feeling a prat is what amateurs do but those that I've seen take it very seriously and concentrate 100% on what they are doing. At first my friend used to get out her pendant and hover it over a stone/patch of ground/photo/map/whatever and if I came near would quickly put it away because she knew how sceptical some people were and it takes their concentration away. Now that she knows I respect her views as much as I expect her to respect mine, she uses both pendant and rods naturally to what appears to be good effect. You take or leave what she says but I respect someone who doesn't ram it down your throat after 'seeing' what you don't see. A gift? I don't know, I just accept it for what it is and get on with my own thing because I may never understand hers but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheers, Roy I was always a sceptic before I tried for myself. I was at the Heritage Centre near to The Hurlers and they had some rods and stones there to try it out. I did and it seemed to work when I went near to the stones. I made some rods of my own and went back and tried it at The Hurlers. I walked the circles and was amazed when the rods came together and then separated as I walked over points in the circle where there was no stone but in the right position for one to have been. I'm sure there is something in it as I have tried at various places on Dartmoor as well and it works there as well. Dowsing most certainly works. I've seen it done very effectively to locate an underground spring, and done it myself successfully.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
May 12, 2012, 16:00
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Resonox wrote: But...none of the stones actually threw you aside? They would have thrown this lady aside: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=16711
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
May 12, 2012, 16:22
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Something we are not discussing though is what actually makes the dowsing rods react like they do if it is all hogwash?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
May 12, 2012, 18:27
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The Eternal wrote: Mr Hamhead, I don't really understand dowsing, but I have tried it in our back garden, without expecting any success, being a sceptic. However, one day I got a couple of those old-fangled wire coat-hangars, and fashioned a couple of traditional (like on telly) -looking "dowsing rods". I put the words in inverted commas, as they were not "official" dowsing-rods, let's get that straight before I continue. Anyway, the dowsing started, with me pacing up and down our back garden (south facing, but don't know if that matters), with the rods loosely held in my hands. To my surprise they both moved outwards and inwards at the same time at certain places. Now, I thought this was just chance, so I performed the same walk again, over the same ground, and the rods moved outwards and inwards together in exactly the same places. I can't explain why, but all I know is that it happened, and I had witnesses, all of whom had no idea why either. I am still looking for a scientific reason, but can't find a convincing one. My only question is, was I really dowsing? I wasn't looking for owt, just walking up and down the garden like a prat. I've read that dowsing is actually doing similar, but with concentrated thoughts about what you are looking for. My sister said she tried it whilst looking for something and it worked. Mysteriously yours, TE. That seems a typical response from most first attempts , but is it dowsing ? I don’t know , dowsers don’t seem to respond to that question . If you look at Roy’s link dowsers claim to find much else apart from water “dowsing can be also used for searching for other underground features such as archaeological remains” . Previously unknown archaeological sites are found all the time a good example might be rock art ,which varies from being in plain sight to buried under turf /heather .How come dowsers never find any . Or anything else archaeological for that matter If you do your dowsing around sites lie stone circles and you get the usual response known to every beginner why believe it has some relationship to the site ? , try it at a landfill site and you’ll get the same response does that suggest that there was a missing stone from a stone circle or a processional route , or might there be a more mundane explanation ? The past few decades have seen the rise of dowsing for “energies “ rather than the more usual “blind springs “ of Underwood or Lethbridge’s “rates “ , where is the mention of this prior to the 60’s in the extensive writings on the subject ?
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Resonox 604 posts |
May 12, 2012, 18:37
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I still maintain it isn't all hogwash...there are certainly a few ott boasts but it isn't all hogwash. As has been pointed out by others...it could be some reaction to water flowing...which might cause...an electro-magnetic field....vibrations in the soil...or maybe animals burrowing nearby allowing Radon to escape. Rods do move whether or not this is involuntary muscle spasm of the holder or actual sensing of any of the above...but there is still no evidence other than apocryphal tales of being flung about or electrocuted by stones (usually by dowsers of dubious sentiment). As I said earlier...nobody knows how or why placebos work with a percentage of the populace...perhaps the same goes for rod movement..
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