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vivid 103 posts |
Oct 26, 2010, 20:00
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I'm having to shut that out. I cried for a day when they announced the death of Caesar, the old stag from the Isle of Rum, on Autumnwatch a couple of years ago and that was 'only' from natural causes. These issues are almost unbearably close to the bone for me as I'm still traumatised from witnessing animal abuse on farms when I was young, compounded by being surrounded by cruel psychopaths who argued with me - they had no qualms about any form of animal exploitation, even inc. testing cosmetics - and sealed by watching videos such as The Animals Film (shown on Channel 4 in the early 80s and featuring hell on earth) and Pennsylvania Primates - an undercover video from a US lab which showed monkeys being used for car crash tests and the people who worked there talking to them mockingly and laughing. To be clear, I'm as horrified about cruelty to human beings in case people think I'm speciesist. Sorry for going on in here - I just can't understand it all. On a more positive note, shouldn't 'the wider us' hatch a plot to buy the woodland from under their noses? If so, could we guarantee to keep the developers and hunters at bay?
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Oct 26, 2010, 20:17
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strathspey wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Kid Calamity wrote: What a bunch of miserable shits this government are turning out to be. Bravo. This is only a few months in, give them a full term and lets see how we feel - if there hasnt been full-blown civil war by then. At least we may get some policeman back on the street then!! My son has been at the Duchy College for the past two years on a National Diploma Public Services course to become a policeman. After all the work he has put in they told him a couple of weeks ago now that he had as much chance of getting a job in the police force as I have of flying to the moon because there will simply be no vacancies. Not a single force is enlisting at the present time he has been told. Their suggestion? Join the Army!
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Oct 27, 2010, 00:22
Oct 26, 2010, 22:00
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The Sea Cat wrote: moss wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Is it legal to hunt Otis Ferry ? Yes, heaven help us what those public schools turn out! his father should be ashamed ;) I'm squeezing into my spandex jodphurs .... Hehe! (I have a strange mental picture of you now). Just to clarify something I wrote yesterday - I've absolutely nothing against retirement pensions going up by a substantial amount but do know political bullshit when I hear it. I came across this on Facebook earlier http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Countering-the-cuts-myths
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 04:49
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strathspey wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Kid Calamity wrote: What a bunch of miserable shits this government are turning out to be. Bravo. This is only a few months in, give them a full term and lets see how we feel - if there hasnt been full-blown civil war by then. We can but hope!
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 04:54
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tjj wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: moss wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Is it legal to hunt Otis Ferry ? Yes, heaven help us what those public schools turn out! his father should be ashamed ;) I'm squeezing into my spandex jodphurs .... Hehe! (I have a strange mental picture of you now). Just to clarify something I wrote yesterday - I've absolutely nothing against retirement pensions going up by a substantial amount but do know political bullshit when I hear it. I came across this on Facebook earlier http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Countering-the-cuts-myths great link tjj. Thanks. The Pension plan this is just a sweetener/con trick. It wont apply to any existing pensioners pre 20015, when planned, and the Cabal would only do a volte face if they were still in power after winning another election, which they wont. I can't see them doing one full term as it is. They'll be a coalition split as the public mood turns.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 06:13
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vivid wrote: On a more positive note, shouldn't 'the wider us' hatch a plot to buy the woodland from under their noses? If so, could we guarantee to keep the developers and hunters at bay? Trouble is, "the wider us" is the Forestry Commission, which was effectively set up "to keep the developers and hunters at bay". We couldn't possibly afford it but if we did we'd be buying what's ours to prevent a cabinet of millionaires flogging it to their millionaire mates.
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Jane 3024 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 08:10
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Clegg and Cameron. Putting the N back into 'cuts'.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 08:27
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Jane wrote: Clegg and Cameron. Putting the N back into 'cuts'. Nice one Jane!!
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Oct 27, 2010, 13:20
Oct 27, 2010, 12:18
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I rang the Woodland Trust earlier - spoke to the friendly and helpful Emilie Bonnevay in the Supporters section (I did ask for Sue Holden, the Chief Executive but she wasn't available). Emilie sent me the following email and confirmed it was ok to post it on a public forum. See below: Here is the Trust's press statement regarding the proposed sales of public forest sites: The Woodland Trust has a number of concerns over the likelihood of a substantially accelerated disposal programme of public forest land. The Trust has long held the view that not all of existing forest estate needs to be held in public ownership, especially those sites whose purpose is primarily the production of timber, or where local community ownership is a viable option. However, if the Government is determined to be the greenest government ever then it has to find a way to secure the future of ancient woodland sites planted up with conifers over the last 60-70 years. Their restoration is in our view the most significant opportunity open to us for improving the UK’s biodiversity. There are no mechanisms in place to guarantee that if sold to commercial or private interests that restoration will take place. “Ancient Woodland is our richest and most fragile habitat, our equivalent of the rainforest. Restoring 20,000ha of ancient woodland would be the one of most significant contributions the UK could make to worldwide nature conservation; the proposed sell off must not become a barrier to this significant achievement.“ said Sue Holden, Chief Executive of the Woodland Trust. The conifers planted in place of native woodland cover many years ago are now reaching economic maturity yet these sites are ancient woods on the brink, retaining against all odds remnants of ancient woodland plants, soils, archaeological features and veteran trees. The opportunity to restore these sites to native woodland is a once in a lifetime opportunity which must be grasped with great urgency If revenue from these sales does not find its way back into Forestry Commission income streams, which looks likely, it could seriously threaten FC’s ability to support the future planting of new native woodland, which is a major priority for us and for Government response to the climate change agenda, as well as into restoration of planted ancient woods. The Trust also has concerns that not all public forest land has yet been dedicated under the Countryside and Rights of Way act 2000 for permanent public access; this applies to sites where the FC holds the leasehold rather than the freehold. Prior to disposals of land, public access needs to be safeguarded. I hope this is helpful for now. We are following this rapidly evolving topic closely and will be sure to keep our supporters up to date with more details and any actions they can take when we know more. If you do have any further queries in the mean time, please contact me. You can find the link to the press statement on our media centre at http://www.woodlandtrust.presscentre.com/News-Releases/Press-Statement-RE-Forestry-Commission-Disposals-523.aspx, and you can view our thoughts on the matter on our blog at http://wtcampaigns.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/promised-bonfire-of-the-quangos-is-a-smouldering-fuse/. Regards, Emilie
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Oct 27, 2010, 16:51
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Thanks for that tjj. I'm absolutely knackered right now but I will definitely investigate properly in the morning. :-)
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