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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 22, 2009, 16:29
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Branwen wrote: On the nebra disc the experts used more than just the fact of it being seven stars to decide it was the pleiades, one assumes. I'm not so sure , there is little else similar to be expert about . I thought the crit by Alun was better than the origianl and there have been other suggestions equally as weak .The German archaeo establishment seem a bit too ready to offer astro ideas with little evidence .It's not quite the same here , we are much warier possibly because we went too far in the 70's , they have still to learn that lesson .
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Branwen 824 posts |
Dec 22, 2009, 21:11
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The information on the disc certainly changes over time, going from 5600 years old to 3600 finally. Seems it has a close relationship with the landscape around about the hill where it was found too.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 27, 2009, 18:37
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Branwen wrote: Well, the last reference I've seen to it was looking through the Ancient Lothian site, on a list of festivals. http://www.cyberscotia.com/ancient-lothian/leaves/features/calendar-of-festivals.html I've seen them mentioned elsewhere, though, always without an explanation of the alignment, which must fall on the days given, and so are guessable, to an extent, or fall where old samhuinn or old beltuinn fell, for instance. I wondered why they are "lost" and not commonly mentioned, and what the actual alignments are. Branwen , looks like they have been amended , at least can't see a mention of "lost" anymore .
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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Dec 27, 2009, 19:10
Dec 27, 2009, 19:08
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Still shows this list for me, browser refreshed for latest version... http://www.cyberscotia.com/ancient-lothian/leaves/features/calendar-of-festivals.html wrote: new year's day january 1 folk st. kentigern / mungo january 13 christian imbolc / oimelc january 31 / february 1 pagan candlemas february 2 christian / quarter day lost neolithic festival march 5 pagan st. baldred march 6 christian st. cuthbert march 20 christian spring equinox march 21 solar easter variable march-april christian riding the marches variable april-august folk april fool's day april 1 folk lost neolithic festival april 15 pagan beltane april 30 - may 1 pagan / quarter day may day may 1 folk whitsunday may 15 christian / quarter day st. columba june 9 christian summer solstice june 21 solar midsummer's day june 21 folk st. servanus / serf july 1 christian st. thenew / enoch july 18 christian lùnasdal july 31 / august 1 pagan lammas august 1 christian / quarter day lost neolithic festival august 30 pagan st. giles september 1 christian autumn equinox september 21 solar st. adomnán september 23 christian st. triduana october 8 christian lost neolithic festival october 11 pagan st. bega october 31 christian halloween october 31 folk/christian samhuinn october 31 / november 1 pagan hallow fair november 1 folk st. triduana november 9 christian martinmas november 11 christian / quarter day st. margaret november 16 christian st. andrew november 30 christian winter solstice december 21 / 22 solar christmas / yule december 25 christian the daft days / yuletide december 25 - 31 folk hogmanay december 31 folk I've come to the conclusion pregression and OS and NS dating differences may account for them in the pagan year, but how did he find them as festivals using the stones is still a mystery to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Style_and_New_Style_dates Also, the christians celebrate St Triduana on Oct 8th now, but older references made it November 9th. (Probably to move her away from the pagan festival her story, and others like it, was obsfucating).
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 27, 2009, 19:15
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Branwen wrote: Still shows this list for me, browser refreshed for latest version... http://www.cyberscotia.com/ancient-lothian/leaves/features/calendar-of-festivals.html wrote: new year's day january 1 folk st. kentigern / mungo january 13 christian imbolc / oimelc january 31 / february 1 pagan candlemas february 2 christian / quarter day lost neolithic festival march 5 pagan st. baldred march 6 christian st. cuthbert march 20 christian spring equinox march 21 solar easter variable march-april christian riding the marches variable april-august folk april fool's day april 1 folk lost neolithic festival april 15 pagan beltane april 30 - may 1 pagan / quarter day may day may 1 folk whitsunday may 15 christian / quarter day st. columba june 9 christian summer solstice june 21 solar midsummer's day june 21 folk st. servanus / serf july 1 christian st. thenew / enoch july 18 christian lùnasdal july 31 / august 1 pagan lammas august 1 christian / quarter day lost neolithic festival august 30 pagan st. giles september 1 christian autumn equinox september 21 solar st. adomnán september 23 christian st. triduana october 8 christian lost neolithic festival october 11 pagan st. bega october 31 christian halloween october 31 folk/christian samhuinn october 31 / november 1 pagan hallow fair november 1 folk st. triduana november 9 christian martinmas november 11 christian / quarter day st. margaret november 16 christian st. andrew november 30 christian winter solstice december 21 / 22 solar christmas / yule december 25 christian the daft days / yuletide december 25 - 31 folk hogmanay december 31 folk I've come to the conclusion pregression and OS and NS dating differences may account for them in the pagan year, but how did he find them as festivals using the stones is still a mystery to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Style_and_New_Style_dates Also, the christians celebrate St Triduana on Oct 8th now, but older references made it November 9th. (Probably to move her away from the pagan festival her story, and others like it, was obsfucating). LOL , sorry , I was looking in the wrong column .
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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Dec 27, 2009, 20:21
Dec 27, 2009, 20:20
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No worries, I've was adding 11 days instead of taking them away for a couple of days to get the Gregorian/Julian difference in days. I'm thoroughly confused already...
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drewbhoy 2559 posts |
Dec 27, 2009, 22:43
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Hi Branwen, if a birthday lands on one of bold 'Lost Neolithic' dates does it have any ancient/folklore meaning?
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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Dec 28, 2009, 01:58
Dec 28, 2009, 01:24
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Dunno. I was born on the Ides of March... festival of the lost might have been appropriate day for me though. So far I can't see any connection to folklore of various festivals that could account for the dates. Presumably its from some alignments at some lothian sites, but so far no one knows where they came from. BTW, I added the bold for Tiompan who said they had been amended.
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StoneGloves 1149 posts |
Dec 28, 2009, 11:08
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I ate the dates. "I was born on the Ides of March..." is this the same day as J S Bach? 21st March? Or before? I'm never sure. March is a great month for birthdays.
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Branwen 824 posts |
Dec 28, 2009, 16:58
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Ides are the middle of the month. 15th. Carry on Cleopatra was on today... probably the line "Beware the Ides of March!!" was in there somewhere. The day Caesar was killed by Brutus. Was the first day of the festival of the serpent too, I've been told, though I haven't been able to find out much about that.
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