Hob
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Re: More about magnetism
Sep 23, 2003, 16:55
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Something every day? That'll do me. I just forget it all. Then I get to learn it all again.
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Hob
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Re: More about magnetism
Sep 23, 2003, 16:55
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Something every day? That'll do me. I just forget it all. Then I get to learn it all again. I'll have to save that link.
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FourWinds
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Re: Ferrari's and Flesh
Sep 23, 2003, 16:57
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You know what? I have just re-read morfe's post (F&Fs) and I have to admit I don't understand a word of it.
Gonna have a lie down ...
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Earthstepper
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Re: What is dowsing?
Sep 23, 2003, 17:33
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Not shy at all. I just feel sad that you have to resort to abuse when your arguement fails to convince
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morfe
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Re: Ferrari's and Flesh
Sep 23, 2003, 17:33
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fnar!
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morfe
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Electric Monk
Sep 23, 2003, 17:37
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Don't think so? *')
What did he say?
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FourWinds
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Re: What is dowsing?
Sep 23, 2003, 17:58
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No. I resort to abuse when people try to quote me, actually misquote me and misrepresent what I said, getting it totally wrong just to try and score a cheap point. If you don't understand the effect of pools of water or of running water or of underground structures on the Earth's magnetic field and how these effects can be scientifically detected and measured then admit it. I have never said dowsing is shite and doesn't work. I have said that *some* dowsing is shite and phoney and that some dowsers are charlatans. I have said that dowsing and geophys confirm each other. I have said that I think fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field seems a very likely reason why some dowsing works. I can say this because I have seen geophys and dowsing produce the same results. I have said that I'm sick of dowsers pretending they've got something special going on when they haven't. In effect these dowsers are illusionists. Taking an explainable phenomenon and hiding it behind a smokescreen so that others aren't allowed to know the secret. Well, it ain't a secret.
Some forms of dowsing I can't explain, but then I've never seen these forms accurately reproduced giving reliable results, so I'm not sure they even exist. A lot of them seem to be claims that can't be backed up.
You chose not to reason against what I said but come out with a petty remark that was aimed to make what I have been saying oversimplistic and therefor make it sound crappy and the thoughts of a child. If those are you tactics then you deserve nothing better than what you get.
As for failing to convince? Well, some people aren't worth convincing. Some people don't want to be convinced. Some people can't understand what someone's trying to convince them of. Some people are willing to listen, then reason and then conclude (one way or the other).
I can deal with the last catagory. The others are a waste of space in my little world. I get pissed off when people rave on and clearly do not know both sides of the subject. They have their little side and they don't want to know about the other. I have spent quite a lot of time dealing with various methods of geophys and they're all bascially advanced dowsing, but using more sensitive and more reliable equipment than the human body.
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morfe
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Sorry FW, I'm a shit writer when I have so much to say in so short a time (and an even shitter one when I've got all day to waffle on and eulogise)
One day soon we'll accept that Goethe was as necessary and as spot on as Newton, i have complete faith in that.
i see a line of perception which roughly can be divided into stageposts as:
science-morphology-metaphysics-mysticism
The ancients I believe had their minds in morphology (no relation!) more than rational science, whither they went either side of that into science and/or metaphysics is also a good question I think. 'Poet is priest' could well be applied to Goethe, although 'Poet is Proof' may not be accepted!
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morfe
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Re: Anthroposophising
Sep 23, 2003, 18:24
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"shows them that their perspective is wrong or slightly out of line then they should accept it."
Being as much a pedant as the next man, how can you tell someone their perspective is wrong? A perspective is just that..a perspective? If that were the case, I could show you that your perspective is wrong, would you just plain accept it?
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nigelswift
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Re: 21 senses
Sep 23, 2003, 19:59
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Enviiiille!
Are you a Bobbingtonian?
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