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Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Edited Feb 21, 2019, 21:14
Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 21, 2019, 21:13
I think some people on here imagining Britain carpet bombing Ireland are having too much of their red wine a little too early this week. It is only Thursday.

Thankfully Syria wasn't in the EU and didn't decide to leave even though it wasn't a member. Or Britain along with the USA and Israel would have bombed vast areas of it back to the Stone Age.

Oh yeah. We did anyway. And Syria didn't do a thing to the UK.

Syria wasn't in the EU.
Nor was Iraq.
Nor was Libya.

None of them did a single thing to have any material impact (however "imaginary") on Britain and its jobs or economy. Nothing, that is, bar provide lots of jobs for British Engineers and Oil Workers.

But we carpet bombed them.

Playing "let's imagine" is so much easier than playing "let's actually look."
grufty jim
grufty jim
1978 posts

Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 21, 2019, 21:22
Howburn Digger wrote:
I think some people on here imagining Britain carpet bombing Ireland...

Playing "let's imagine" is so much easier than playing "let's actually look."


Isn't it though? Just to be clear... you're the only person here imagining that.

I suggested the British tabloids would be up in arms and screaming blue murder if Ireland made a decision that caused as much harm to the UK as brexit is causing us. I suggested the tabloids and those in their comments sections would be making extreme statements and extreme demands.

I certainly didn't suggest there'd be actual carpet-bombing. You did that all yourself.

But maybe you think The Sun and The Mail, along with their already virulent readers-comments sections, would take such a set of circumstances calmly. Perhaps you think Nigel Farage and the tory right wing would be taking a measured approach and not making any inflammatory statements at all.

And you are more than welcome to think those things. But I suspect most of the "imagining" is happening at your end.
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 22, 2019, 05:31
Irrational nationalism is ever-present within a proportion of English people and it can be summoned up in a moment by The Sun and The Mail. Remember "Up yours Delors"? Maybe that was the moment a percentage of us turned against Europe in our guts, and once a prejudice is there it can't be changed by mere logic.

It's very useful if your paper wants to promote its owner's agenda or simply to sell more copies. Remember the Sun's headline announcing Thatcher's murder of 1,800 eighteen-year-old Argentinian conscripts on the Belgrano which had been sailing towards its home port for 24 hours: Gotcha!

Incidentally, being anti-Irish over Brexit doesn't need hypothesising that the boot was on the other foot. It seems to me that Europe as a whole and Ireland, in particular, has been far more grown up and dignified than Britain yet the press constantly portrays them as unreasonable and scheming. I seem to remember several years ago on here I said, before it had happened, that we'd end up demonising Europe. Now it happens every day.
tjj
tjj
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Edited Feb 22, 2019, 22:31
Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 22, 2019, 20:13
nigelswift wrote:
Irrational nationalism is ever-present within a proportion of English people and it can be summoned up in a moment by The Sun and The Mail. Remember "Up yours Delors"? Maybe that was the moment a percentage of us turned against Europe in our guts, and once a prejudice is there it can't be changed by mere logic.

It's very useful if your paper wants to promote its owner's agenda or simply to sell more copies. Remember the Sun's headline announcing Thatcher's murder of 1,800 eighteen-year-old Argentinian conscripts on the Belgrano which had been sailing towards its home port for 24 hours: Gotcha!

Incidentally, being anti-Irish over Brexit doesn't need hypothesising that the boot was on the other foot. It seems to me that Europe as a whole and Ireland, in particular, has been far more grown up and dignified than Britain yet the press constantly portrays them as unreasonable and scheming. I seem to remember several years ago on here I said, before it had happened, that we'd end up demonising Europe. Now it happens every day.


I always read your posts Nigel and generally agree with you. I have never bought or read the Sun or the Mail but just lately find myself looking at the front page headlines. Yes, appalling. No wonder the French press say we are a dreadful country. I haven't actually been aware of any anti-Irish sentiments though - spent the evening on Wednesday with a friend who is visiting from Derry. She said the dissidents back home are just waiting in the wings for an opportunity to start something up but the people do not want that awful conflict back again.

Have been thinking about Nationalism a bit - where does loyalty to the place you have been brought up and lived most of your life cross over into xenophobia and dislike/distrust of 'other' peoples. Earlier in the week I had spoken about the Honda/Swindon situation. Got me thinking about Japan - I had been told by someone who spent many years there that the Japanese have an innate mistrust of foreigners. Now they have the freedom to build and export cars directly from Japan I guess they can't get out of the UK quick enough. As a race they are known for 'honour' - how must our shambolic, self-serving, incompetent government seem to them - who can blame them for calling time. Sad for the Honda workers - collateral damage I'm afraid but then the workers always were. Incidentally, did you know (according to Wikipedia) 98.5% of Japan's population is Japanese.
nigelswift
8065 posts

Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 23, 2019, 05:55
"where does loyalty to the place you have been brought up and lived most of your life cross over into xenophobia and dislike/distrust of 'other' peoples. "

I suppose the standard answer is Nationalism bad, Patriotism good but actually I've always struggled to see what are the claimed but rarely voiced advantages even of patriotism. It was OK long ago when tribe loyalty had a survival advantage, but now? It all seems a bit irrational. But it's in us: other countries,regions,towns,villages, streets and the people next door - we have a propensity to see them as "the others" and to hate 'em all!

I remember my Dad told me that if a young man from our village visited a girl from the next village he risked a beating. That was definitely a biologiical mistake because if ever an area needed a bit of genetic diversity it was ours!
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Edited Feb 27, 2019, 22:08
Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 27, 2019, 21:53
how about only people the age of forty can ever vote ever - that should narrow the window a bit.

like flies your accumulated concerns shall weep into the slits.

at least then there'd be some responsibility as you'd have heard both sides of the argument and presumably not be a total twat!

Cx

you could introduce a sinister air of ageism is this a Viking thing? Vote then jump off a cliff. FFS i have done zero research

everybody only vote at forty with your own blood which even then is toxscreened and weighted accordingly before being sent off to the euthenasia ovens.

fuck me that is horrible sorry the wine is back again:

"how did you rate your citizenship, press yes for here, goodbye"

then the government of the day would win by promising death for everybody who votes
how could you corrupt that?

"i don't vote because my MP is 116 years old and promising new cogs for my eye pisser"

(no carry on this is good you were having a breakthrough with your Disney dystopic cockney musical: "Ooh, now let me sing a song about the human farming, la da da da da something charming..,")
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Edited Feb 27, 2019, 22:35
Re: Brexit from Ireland - a thought experiment
Feb 27, 2019, 22:19
and they have a giant statue of a woman's face where the houses of Parliament used to be, halfsumed by the mire, a small windmill on the top operating tickertape tears of basic binary information, the populus long abandonned to interrupt the pulse.

Cx

"where's the paper coming from?"

it's from the sea it's a magic statue of a woman's face, they have superannuated seals from Blakeney operating it

(yes, I too laughed my guts off when HMS Oliver Cromwell or whatever piece of shit vessel sank in the Irish sea and good bollocks to the lot of it, bring me your infinite cola bottle Kevin Costner)

((to be sure listen to yourself you're no Byron Stingley are ye, ye feckin' eejit - you're more toilet lickely, and you have to git yer ma to d't fr bum bum poo poo man))

Can't we just all go off with our magic swords and wave at the giant buddha man like a less depressing Human League re-enactment?

(oh, like you'll be leaving Norfolk in twenty years - good luck with that, are you flying or teleporting?)

no, i'm zuckering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe_fIUawRt8
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
1618 posts

Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Feb 28, 2019, 02:07
poo poo wee wee bum bum brexit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmme9zKJlUA

Cx
nigelswift
8065 posts

Annoying for Kippers.
Feb 28, 2019, 13:34
What happened in June 2016 to change the graph so dramatically?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BubNy5iBau2/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1wdjaemrq93ra
nigelswift
8065 posts

Fair warning from US Ambassador
Mar 02, 2019, 12:07
The EU is a “museum of agriculture”, the US ambassador to Britain has said, as he urged the UK to embrace American farming methods to seal a transatlantic trade deal.

Writing in The Telegraph, Woody Johnson says US practices such as chlorine-washing chicken and feeding growth hormones to cattle are “the future of farming” while the EU’s “traditionalist approach” belongs in the past.
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