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Citizensmurf 1703 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 00:17
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billding68 wrote: Funny when the book came out some many proclaimed it to be the tits. It wasn't and frankly neither was most of the music associated with it, I mean kick?, that was not good.. You're right, it wasn't good, it was fucking hilarious. I'll have to disagree with the pack on this one, I loved 131, and the music was perfect. I don't ever expect another personal announcement from JC on this site again, but life goes on.
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billding68 1016 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 02:20
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Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Funny when the book came out some many proclaimed it to be the tits. It wasn't and frankly neither was most of the music associated with it, I mean kick?, that was not good.. You're right, it wasn't good, it was fucking hilarious. I'll have to disagree with the pack on this one, I loved 131, and the music was perfect. I don't ever expect another personal announcement from JC on this site again, but life goes on. Its definitely a case of "to each his own" But youre going to have a hard time convincing anyone that Aum a Sahara by "mixing concrete" is a perfect song! Rubbish is what it is, sorry
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Citizensmurf 1703 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 03:09
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billding68 wrote: Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Funny when the book came out some many proclaimed it to be the tits. It wasn't and frankly neither was most of the music associated with it, I mean kick?, that was not good.. You're right, it wasn't good, it was fucking hilarious. I'll have to disagree with the pack on this one, I loved 131, and the music was perfect. I don't ever expect another personal announcement from JC on this site again, but life goes on. Its definitely a case of "to each his own" But youre going to have a hard time convincing anyone that Aum a Sahara by "mixing concrete" is a perfect song! Rubbish is what it is, sorry I don't think it was ever supposed to be anything but what it is. And in that it succeeded.
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billding68 1016 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 04:14
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Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Funny when the book came out some many proclaimed it to be the tits. It wasn't and frankly neither was most of the music associated with it, I mean kick?, that was not good.. You're right, it wasn't good, it was fucking hilarious. I'll have to disagree with the pack on this one, I loved 131, and the music was perfect. I don't ever expect another personal announcement from JC on this site again, but life goes on. Its definitely a case of "to each his own" But youre going to have a hard time convincing anyone that Aum a Sahara by "mixing concrete" is a perfect song! Rubbish is what it is, sorry I don't think it was ever supposed to be anything but what it is. And in that it succeeded. So if he was going for Rubbish he succeeded? ok I can go with that...But why in Gods name would a music artist purposely release rubbish?(and don't even go down the Art path cos I aint buying into that) Metallica Released several Rubbish albums on accident and one on purpose and they were all Rubbish Regardless of the intent so, to release garbage is NOT art its garbage and sorry J.C. but Aum a Sahara is not anything ANYONE would want to listen to under any circumstance that I can think of. It really IS what it is... Probably should have put more thought into writing actual SONGS but hey I'm just the consumer what do I know.
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Monganaut 2382 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 05:44
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Dunno what your beef is. He's not here to please us, I'm sure it's always been about his own 'trip'. Having said that, surely the point of any artist is to follow their muse, for good or bad. If your making music just for the market, then you end up with the same shit that's been hoggin' the charts for the last 20 years. Cope has pretty much done his own thing/ followed his own path since the early 90's, and thank god for that. For all his hits and misses, and they're have been plenty of both, I'd still rather he followed his heart/gut than turned out what was expected of him. Down that path lies the likes of Muse or Coldplay or wahtever. I wasn't a big fan of 131 the novel, but I loved a lot of the music he created for the project, and loved the idea that it became almost an integral part of the book. I'd defend him to the hilt, for the right to do, as an artist, exactly what he fuckin' likes. That's why I love the guy, he'll take chances, not always in directions I appreciate, but at the end of the day, it's his choice. We don't have to buy into everything he creates. I can't think of another recording artist that has created such an identity, and such a varied body of work, be that in his musical choices, his written output, of his historical research. I for one am glad I joined him on his journey. What would you prefer, a recording artist like Bob Dylan, or Neil Young, or The Rolling Stones who have essentially made the same record for the last 30 years?
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Andfurthermoreagain 696 posts |
Edited Oct 09, 2015, 08:43
Oct 09, 2015, 08:42
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billding68 wrote: Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Citizensmurf wrote: billding68 wrote: Funny when the book came out some many proclaimed it to be the tits. It wasn't and frankly neither was most of the music associated with it, I mean kick?, that was not good.. You're right, it wasn't good, it was fucking hilarious. I'll have to disagree with the pack on this one, I loved 131, and the music was perfect. I don't ever expect another personal announcement from JC on this site again, but life goes on. Its definitely a case of "to each his own" But youre going to have a hard time convincing anyone that Aum a Sahara by "mixing concrete" is a perfect song! Rubbish is what it is, sorry I don't think it was ever supposed to be anything but what it is. And in that it succeeded. So if he was going for Rubbish he succeeded? ok I can go with that...But why in Gods name would a music artist purposely release rubbish?(and don't even go down the Art path cos I aint buying into that) Metallica Released several Rubbish albums on accident and one on purpose and they were all Rubbish Regardless of the intent so, to release garbage is NOT art its garbage and sorry J.C. but Aum a Sahara is not anything ANYONE would want to listen to under any circumstance that I can think of. It really IS what it is... Probably should have put more thought into writing actual SONGS but hey I'm just the consumer what do I know. I think the 131 music was inconsistent and not always successful, but then again its purpose was merely to provide a musical illustration of the bands and artists mentioned in the book. It was probably fun for Cope to do as it forced him to step outside his comfort zone in some respects but I don't think it ought to be judged against his main canon of work. An artistic indulgence in some respects (regardless of the soundtrack being 'commissioned' or not) but I don't think the majority was intended to be taken too seriously (I mean, how could you take anything by Brits Abroad seriously ha ha). The Nurse With Mound tracks were pretty unlistenable to me too but I didn't particularly like Queen Elizabeth either. I personally don't think avant-garde /musique concrete is one of Cope's stronger points (I think he's too much of an accomplished songwriter to ever truly comfortably make a 'noise-as-aesthetic' statement). To be honest thought, whilst it wasn't all great, I found the nature of the 131 soundtrack to be pretty refreshing in its tongue-in-cheek ridiculousness. We're used to Cope's music treading pretty heavy water (lyrically and conceptually) so it was nice to see him (as much as he might claim otherwise) whimsically dicking about for a bit - you can practically hear him trying not to laugh on Kick. After all, Bagged Out Ken was a Peggy Suicide b-side but we wouldn't ever compare it to its mother album.
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Citizensmurf 1703 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 14:07
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Monganaut wrote: Dunno what your beef is. He's not here to please us, I'm sure it's always been about his own 'trip'. Having said that, surely the point of any artist is to follow their muse, for good or bad. If your making music just for the market, then you end up with the same shit that's been hoggin' the charts for the last 20 years. Cope has pretty much done his own thing/ followed his own path since the early 90's, and thank god for that. For all his hits and misses, and they're have been plenty of both, I'd still rather he followed his heart/gut than turned out what was expected of him. Down that path lies the likes of Muse or Coldplay or wahtever. I wasn't a big fan of 131 the novel, but I loved a lot of the music he created for the project, and loved the idea that it became almost an integral part of the book. I'd defend him to the hilt, for the right to do, as an artist, exactly what he fuckin' likes. That's why I love the guy, he'll take chances, not always in directions I appreciate, but at the end of the day, it's his choice. We don't have to buy into everything he creates. I can't think of another recording artist that has created such an identity, and such a varied body of work, be that in his musical choices, his written output, of his historical research. I for one am glad I joined him on his journey. What would you prefer, a recording artist like Bob Dylan, or Neil Young, or The Rolling Stones who have essentially made the same record for the last 30 years? Well said. And even outside the context of the book and soundtrack, Neon Sardinia is fucking unbelievably good. I've been playing it a lot, and I would love to have it seen a wider release. Works better than QE at times, though the stylistic differences are too vast between the two projects. Holy McGrail deserves a huge heap of praise for his work, which often gets buried in the shadow of JC. Are you still here Holy? More music please. Also, go buy Slomo-The Grain if you haven't done so fellow heads. https://soundsofslomo.bandcamp.com/album/the-grain
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billding68 1016 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 14:23
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Citizensmurf wrote: Monganaut wrote: Dunno what your beef is. He's not here to please us, I'm sure it's always been about his own 'trip'. Having said that, surely the point of any artist is to follow their muse, for good or bad. If your making music just for the market, then you end up with the same shit that's been hoggin' the charts for the last 20 years. Cope has pretty much done his own thing/ followed his own path since the early 90's, and thank god for that. For all his hits and misses, and they're have been plenty of both, I'd still rather he followed his heart/gut than turned out what was expected of him. Down that path lies the likes of Muse or Coldplay or wahtever. I wasn't a big fan of 131 the novel, but I loved a lot of the music he created for the project, and loved the idea that it became almost an integral part of the book. I'd defend him to the hilt, for the right to do, as an artist, exactly what he fuckin' likes. That's why I love the guy, he'll take chances, not always in directions I appreciate, but at the end of the day, it's his choice. We don't have to buy into everything he creates. I can't think of another recording artist that has created such an identity, and such a varied body of work, be that in his musical choices, his written output, of his historical research. I for one am glad I joined him on his journey. What would you prefer, a recording artist like Bob Dylan, or Neil Young, or The Rolling Stones who have essentially made the same record for the last 30 years? Well said. And even outside the context of the book and soundtrack, Neon Sardinia is fucking unbelievably good. I've been playing it a lot, and I would love to have it seen a wider release. Works better than QE at times, though the stylistic differences are too vast between the two projects. Holy McGrail deserves a huge heap of praise for his work, which often gets buried in the shadow of JC. Are you still here Holy? More music please. Also, go buy Slomo-The Grain if you haven't done so fellow heads. https://soundsofslomo.bandcamp.com/album/the-grain I don't have a beef but calling something perfect that to most peoples ears is clearly far from it. I'm going to disagree. Its not " whimsical " to release lousy music to your fans, its shitty. But then again for the last decade or so he's pretty much done that and for over a year now he's gone off and stuck his head in the sand so I guess its a case of "hear no evil see no evil" I literally have purchased every release over the past 25 years except the most recent available at concerts only, and while I don't feel he owes his fans anything he really has failed in the quality control department.
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Oct 09, 2015, 15:29
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Most people's ears are responsible for The Bodyguard soundtrack being one of the best selling albums of all time. S'all subjective, innit?
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Carlos 3884 posts |
Edited Oct 09, 2015, 17:40
Oct 09, 2015, 17:40
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Sorry to ask, but where can I find the "ost" for Cope's book? Thanks in advance.
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